An additional Manston post here which is made up of my recent email correspondence with Iris about the airport cpo.
Please remember that this is an important issue and don’t get sidetracked here into the normal typos and limited grammar associated with fairly busy people communicating with various devices, some using American predictive text.
I have sorted the emails out into the right order and coloured mine blue and Iris’s red to make them easier to follow, I have also edited out the; “was that a typo in the last one” “yes sorry I meant to say….” Stuff.
Anyone wanting to check my previous stuff on Manston should click on this link http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Manston%20Airport and then when the get to the bottom of the pages of posts click on the “Older Posts”
On 12 Jun 2014, at 19:26, email@example.com wrote
Hi Iris before I get to the point of this I still haven’t heard anything about the Pavillion consultation.
Anyway on to the main thing I wanted to talk to you about which is the Manston Airport cpo, a combination of blog comment and talking to locals about this is giving me some concerns about this one.
In the first instance I have reservations about the idea of a freight hub rather than an airport that people can fly from, I am yet to be persuaded of either the economic or environmental viability of this working at Manston where there is no fuel pipeline, so all the fuel would have to be trucked down from the M25 and all the freight trucked up to the M25.On the cpo front I am a bit concerned about the cost involved here and do wonder whether KCC would be in a better position to investigate the viability of a cpo and have an electoral register of sufficient people supporting it and in the airport catchment area to justify the expense.There are some concerns that many of the Save Manston Airport are not Thanet taxpayers or on the Thanet electoral roll and a quick internet investigation just now seems to confirm this.There is even some grounds to support that many of those involved actually come from areas where they would be adversly affected by other airport projects, anti Lydd Airport expansion anti Boris Island and so on.I know you met some of the leaders of the SMA group today and I would like some assurance from you that the group pressuring TDC to cpo Manston is actually made up of members of the TDC electoral roll, I ask this particularly as I gather the council is already incurring expense on this front and I want to be sure that there is a reasonable demand for a cpo from TDC council taxpayers.Perhaps you could let me know the proportion of the petition signatories that are on the Thanet electoral roll, so that I could reassure blog readers that the council is spending the extra money with the support of council taxpayers.Don’t misunderstand me I am pro Manston and should like to have the economic benefits of a regional airport, there can be no doubt about my support of the airport being genuine I have several years of blog posts about Manston published on the internet and in the public domain.I am however very concerned that TDC just isn’t in a position to fund a cpo and that the money being spent on investigating this will be wasted.Best regards Michael
TDC do not have the funds to buy an airport and must have a watertight agreement with a third party for a back to back arrangement. Nothing changes for me on night flights from the s106 and I have said before I wonder if the flight path over Ramsgate seems to be rather more than we all agreed many years ago. We are doing our best and it is probably time KCC and Government stepped up to help. The Taskforce hasn't met since Clive went to London weeks ago and I have made my concerns clear this is vital. I am seeing Mrs Gloag in early July.Regards, iris
From: Iris Johnston
Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:44
Subject: Re: Manston cpo
Thank you very much Michael, Yes officers plus Cllr Nicholson and Cllr Green and myself met with the Chair and Committee of Save Manston this am and. I have no doubts about their sincerity. I have met nearly all before at the Public meeting and since at various places especially at Manston. I don't know about any infiltrators involved the campaign from anti Lydd or Boris island. I think that would be hard to prove. The Council is getting quite rightly legal advice and as a responsible authority must be seen to examine all possibilities. I have gone out of my way to talk to or meet in person with colleagues and officers all interested parties. I have had contact with English Heritage and families who once owned the land. The CPO request will come to Council now on the third of July and then on to Cabinet. Democratic services check the validity.
Best regards Michael
Iris. My main concerns are about the way that TDC are running public consultations and public petitions online. I really don’t think my friend in Australia who has his own aeroplane and likes aviation should be able to petition TDC and influence the way my council tax is being spent.
I do understand that there will be people who are not on the Thanet electoral roll but are employed by local businesses and therefore do indirectly contribute to TDC via apportioned business rates and that there is a contribution to TDC via central government.
But frankly the question of whether TDC raises a cpo for Manston airport is only likely to affect council tax and the TDC website should first ensure that there is some check when people join and have the ability to influence the council that they are on the electoral roll or at least work for a local company.Then there should be some option on the TDC website for people who are against, in this instance, the cpo can say so.I don’t realistically see how TDC could ensure any buyer of Manston used it as an airport, as the site doesn’t have planning permission as an airport and the agreements which allowed Manston to operate as an airport were with the companies operating airport, which cannot be purchased by cpo, and are not attached to the site.
From: Iris Johnston
Sent: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:55
Subject: Re: Manston cpo
Officers are in charge of validating all petitions and before Council I and all Leaders will meet with the Chairman to agenda confirm. I will ensure all signatures are validated and of course there are also paper petitions on their way. I have made it very very clear to Sir Roger etc that we do not have the money to CPO but MUST look at all options. Kind regards, Iris
On 14 Jun 2014, at 11:42, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Thanks Iris I will turn it into a blog post later, I guess the problem that may come up is that because of the information the officers asked for when they set up the E-petition scheme looking wrong to me, it may be impossible to validate the signatures on it. As far as I can see you can sign the E-petition as many times as you have email addresses, but two people who are on the electoral roll, say husband and wife sharing the same email address can only sign it once.Best regards Michael
Will get back to you after I speak to officers!!
Picture credit, the picture comes from the book I publish http://www.michaelsbookshop.com/catalogue/1997_twilight_of_pistons.htm the first two chapters of which are here http://www.michaelsbookshop.com/tp/ and here http://www.michaelsbookshop.com/tp/id3.htm and give some useful information on the early days of commercial aviation at Manson.