tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post2780285300765587597..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Ramsgate Maritime Museum is now openMichael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-81657127687296908492012-05-08T22:47:59.433+01:002012-05-08T22:47:59.433+01:00http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-17997446...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-17997446Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-47296719105683961432012-05-08T19:45:50.357+01:002012-05-08T19:45:50.357+01:00I doubt it. I see your name everywhere.I doubt it. I see your name everywhere.Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-85553376903846532222012-05-08T19:38:25.339+01:002012-05-08T19:38:25.339+01:00Think you pop up on blogs a lot more than me so ho...Think you pop up on blogs a lot more than me so how you find the time to go out and talk as well beats me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-15882238748946036252012-05-08T19:30:56.802+01:002012-05-08T19:30:56.802+01:00You're the one who keeps bringing him up.
Per...You're the one who keeps bringing him up.<br /><br />Perhaps I should remind you again that I believe Roger Gale & Laura Sandys are quite possibly the best MPs in the country. Hardly anti-Tory.Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-55717186097886568012012-05-08T19:28:44.491+01:002012-05-08T19:28:44.491+01:00Yes, because I actually go out and talk to people ...Yes, because I actually go out and talk to people instead of spending all day on my computer. You should try it some time.Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-10967245371630046432012-05-08T18:45:58.329+01:002012-05-08T18:45:58.329+01:00Well you would, wouldn't you, Peter?Well you would, wouldn't you, Peter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-80326805759700196932012-05-08T18:44:13.372+01:002012-05-08T18:44:13.372+01:00But aren't you acting a bit like Worrow, Peter...But aren't you acting a bit like Worrow, Peter. He has gone all anti-Tory in everything he does, says and writes despite being elected as one and you have now gone equally catty since your spat with Simon. Prams and toys spring to mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-68406865476304779492012-05-08T18:16:53.799+01:002012-05-08T18:16:53.799+01:00I've heard some comments regarding his age too...I've heard some comments regarding his age too (though I've heard far more comments regarding the ex-leader's arrest / charge).Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-21674308944224697092012-05-08T18:15:28.141+01:002012-05-08T18:15:28.141+01:00Moores has not upset me, any more than Worrow has....Moores has not upset me, any more than Worrow has. They both have overblown egos & are bad for Thanet. Ok?Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-20497021992846780042012-05-08T18:03:22.657+01:002012-05-08T18:03:22.657+01:00Peter,
As I have said elsewhere, if the Labour gr...Peter,<br /><br />As I have said elsewhere, if the Labour group believe that Will Scobie is the best person they have for the post so be it. Personally I will judge him by his actions not his age. In particular the fact that the Mayors post is and should be non political - which given the supporters of this move sell it on the concept of aiding his political career is interesting. I wish him luck, it is a role I have personally(mayor) I have never coveted or would take up. I admire the patience of those who do. I also am on record as saying he has a hard act to follow as Iris seems to me to have been an excellent mayor for the town. That said, I have heard comment around the towns of surprise given his age; again time will tell if he shows a maturity which surprises the critics or not.Chris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-178952208102556732012-05-08T17:31:43.045+01:002012-05-08T17:31:43.045+01:00Good reminder Tom on the drink driving councillor....Good reminder Tom on the drink driving councillor. Has the ex leader resigned the tory whip yet?<br /><br />This is what Cllr Simon Moores said at the time of the drink driving councillor 18 montha ago:<br /><br />‘Cllr Cameron has worked tirelessly for the people of Bradstowe ward in the time since he was elected as a District Councillor and has made an important contribution to council business, calling on his expert skills as an economist as a member of the council’s Finance & Audit Committee. However the charges he faces are serious and incompatible with his membership of the Conservative group. In such circumstances, Cllr Cameron has shown characteristic integrity and acted quite correctly in resigning the Conservative whip while he awaits the outcome of the legal process.’ <br />Maybe cllr Moores can give us his thoughts on his ex leader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-30731542355570662622012-05-08T15:56:43.204+01:002012-05-08T15:56:43.204+01:00So you are really digging the dirt on the Tories s...So you are really digging the dirt on the Tories since Simon upset you, Peter. I am sure you will soon work kittens and drink driving into another of your witty responses. What is that old saying? "Hell hath no fury like a bisexual scorned" or words to that effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-35328399509415996462012-05-08T13:52:48.953+01:002012-05-08T13:52:48.953+01:00Nice to see the new margate teletubbie there!Nice to see the new margate teletubbie there!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-59286633848076512362012-05-08T13:17:35.806+01:002012-05-08T13:17:35.806+01:00Chris I Can’t find the document you are talking ab...Chris I Can’t find the document you are talking about on the council’s website, but am unclear about the amounts here, do you mean that the £45k you are talking about was mostly the costs incurred by generating the lease, or are you saying that this is an ongoing annual cost and the council is paying the PST £45k pa to keep the museum open?Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-67973340619642770912012-05-08T12:50:48.697+01:002012-05-08T12:50:48.697+01:00Another thing: why criticize young Will being ther...Another thing: why criticize young Will being there? Would you rather he lived in (say) Panama while getting paid by us (with his cronies "accidentally" signing him into meetings)? It's nice to see cllrs actually doing something.Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-25055034556727597342012-05-08T12:16:17.475+01:002012-05-08T12:16:17.475+01:00I think TDC took nealy 4 years to negotiate a leas...I think TDC took nealy 4 years to negotiate a lease for the Museum to re-open. Maybe somebody can tell us why they dragged their feet an. I would like to know also what happened to the Butler legacy given to EKMT for Ramsgae museum. More than £260,000, much of which was still with EKMT when the trustees were removed in 2008.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-22344510384651425692012-05-08T12:15:27.929+01:002012-05-08T12:15:27.929+01:00Your logic, Michael, whilst admirable in its consi...Your logic, Michael, whilst admirable in its consistency, is, as ever, flawed. The original closure decision, as I understand it, related to the cost benefit analysis of what the museum may offer the town in relation to the around £70,000 subsidy from TDC. The re-opening relates to exactly the same issue, and relates to the detail of the new lease and contractual arrangements, which according to the decision notice on the TDC website are not in excess of £30,000; according to Clive Hart's statement at Council on 19 April are not in excess of £40,000; and best estimates suggest is around £45,000 direct subsidy, not including uncosted undertakings of officer time to assist with applications etc.<br /><br />Your reference to parking is a confusion of two issues. One the general parking policy, which is claimed as fair, but tilted in the direction of Birchington and Ramsgate to ensure votes to keep the minority Labour administration in power - totalling some £40,000 free parking between the two. Cliftonville and Broadstairs get around £2700 in comparison. Your continued refusal to address this inequality can only now be deliberate. Secondly, parking as it relates to the Museum itself, where the combination of regular parking for staff and events gift total around £9,000 per year. This is included in the £45,000 estimate of costs for the museum lease I believe; but must be added to the parking policy total because it is not included in the charging regime - bringing the free parking gifting to Ramsgate and Birchington to nearly £50,000; around 20 times the amount offered to Broadstairs and Cliftonville combined.<br /><br />It is great to see the Maritime Museum open - and just because Conservative Councillors did not flock to the opening PR fest does not mean they do not visit or care; however there is still the question of the cost benefit analysis of the overall value to Ramsgate of this reopened facility. If officer time given to help with applications for funding comes to £25,000 we are paying the same amount as the earlier decision to close thought did not qualify.<br /><br />Your assumptions are all about perceptions in Ramsgate of fair play. Like many other campaigners on many issues locally, your dedication to a particular cause may blind you to wider realities. Those arethe questions that are being asked. Is this an effective and tyransparent financial decision; or a quick political win with hidden costs? I believe that is a fair question to ask. Not a banana skin, just a real question of transparency in local government.Chris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-66686857105473971932012-05-08T11:56:02.148+01:002012-05-08T11:56:02.148+01:00No, simply responding to the suggestion that there...No, simply responding to the suggestion that there were no conservative councillors there. Nothing to do with remit, but simply showing an interest in and supporting a local attraction. Sadly Broadstairs town councillors seem to have less and less remit on anything, despite much heralded localism, as the new masters of Thanet impose there seemingly spiteful will on their little Tory town.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-40425327013054491432012-05-08T11:45:00.609+01:002012-05-08T11:45:00.609+01:00Tom are you saying that Broadstairs town councillo...Tom are you saying that Broadstairs town councillors have some sort of remit to decide on Ramsgate issues, in the way that TDC councillors do?Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-29781316746934661882012-05-08T11:42:19.419+01:002012-05-08T11:42:19.419+01:00Simon I think there are two points here, the main ...Simon I think there are two points here, the main one being the ongoing situation and trying to get some support from the Conservative group for Ramsgate.<br /><br />Whether is it is a perceived or real situation, Ramsgate appeared to suffer badly under the eight years of Conservative rule at the council, particularly with respect to council assets in the town.<br /><br />Of course it could be just luck that a lot of these assets seem to be moving forward now we have a Labour administration, Albion House, old tourist information office, Westcliff Hall, Maritime Museum etc, the perception in Ramsgate however is that there was an element of spite towards the town.<br /><br />With the Maritime Museum, I have been getting, responses from Conservative councillors that suggest they think there was something wrong with the deal that the Labour group struck to get the museum reopened. <br /><br />Nothing that makes any sense, just a general feeling that the Conservative group don’t want to support the museum. Sooner or later we will go back to the Conservatives being in charge and I would like them to present a more positive attitude toward Ramsgate and the museum, or of course tell us what they think is wrong with the deal so we can seek to put it right and be on our guard for future banana skins.<br /><br />The other point is these deals relating to council owned real estate where the commercially sensitive details are used in a way that all of the other aspects of the deals take place in secret.<br /><br />This leaves us with the Maritime Museum, where you are saying that four years of delay and all of the consequential economic damage to Ramsgate was not the previous cabinet’s fault, but the fault of the people who were ostensibly were trying to get the museum open.<br /><br />You are also saying that the negotiation of this lease was your reemit, so perhaps you would like to expand a bit on this one.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-79599770647308618992012-05-08T11:42:01.235+01:002012-05-08T11:42:01.235+01:00No it was not Labour's fault it closed anymore...No it was not Labour's fault it closed anymore than it is down to them entirely that it has reopened, but you know that anyway. As for Dr. Moores being banned from your site that is entirely irrelevant since that was not what we were discussing. See again you cannot resist the snide touch that is your hallmark with the inverted commas round the Dr title. Since we are in this childish frame what is the title for doorman, 'boy' perhaps?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-26474894583746605752012-05-08T11:02:16.754+01:002012-05-08T11:02:16.754+01:00So it was Labour's fault that it closed then?
...So it was Labour's fault that it closed then?<br /><br />As for "Dr" Moores, he's been banned from my site for years, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the status of Ramsgate's museums...Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-25386399307491920792012-05-08T10:48:27.611+01:002012-05-08T10:48:27.611+01:00I think it is you that is blinded by your current ...I think it is you that is blinded by your current dislike of Dr. M, who pointed out that the work towards reopening the museum has been ongoing for some time and has not just happened since Labour took over. You should be aware that nothing ever happens that quickly in local government.<br /><br />As to someone insulting you, Peter, your type of one liner, frequently snide and unqualified remark, is a bit like a magnet for uncouth reparteé. Perhaps you should try to build your case so that you invite debate rather than a swift foxtrot oscar in response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-15634918471333558612012-05-08T10:31:19.041+01:002012-05-08T10:31:19.041+01:00I see that those who don't like hearing the tr...I see that those who don't like hearing the truth are resorting to insults instead of answers.Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-48416636962433918102012-05-08T10:20:51.910+01:002012-05-08T10:20:51.910+01:00Michael, you are really pushing the bounds of cred...Michael, you are really pushing the bounds of credibility now. First you criticise the lack of Conservative councillors at the museum opening, yet trumpet a Dane Valley, Margate one's presence and then, when I point out that there was a Conservative councillor there quietly enjoying the exhibits, you claim he does not count because TDC own the Clock House. On that basis Ramsgate Town councillors should not count either. Your love of the left becomes more obvious with each comment you make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com