tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post3181629793130188415..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Thanet Council’s Dream of DreamlandMichael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-27702387406462924332012-08-24T18:48:43.530+01:002012-08-24T18:48:43.530+01:00The land is designated for recreation as far as I ...The land is designated for recreation as far as I am aware, to be able to build houses its designation would have to be changed, if that is an accurate statement then it is only worth what it is worth as recreational land... which is much less than what it is worth if it was already available to build houses on.1 o'clock Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06776573336320716428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-66945364759516451252012-08-20T14:32:18.956+01:002012-08-20T14:32:18.956+01:00Thanks for the comments, especially the cpo link, ...Thanks for the comments, especially the cpo link, top marks for computing acumen as I know blogger don’t make it easy to add links to comments.<br /><br />I worked on both Pleasurama in Ramsgate and Dreamland in Margate in the 70s, both sites were prone to flooding then, in 1978 storm although Margate pier was demolished by the sea, I don’t think there was any damage to Dreamland. In Ramsgate the same storm stove in much of the frontage to Pleasurama filling the lower part of the main arcade, previously The Long Bar with seawater, there was a lot of damage to the electrical arcade machines. The astute operators turned this area into a pool table area, there were no electrics in pool tables then. <br /><br />I have been in Dreamland during a big rain storm and the drainage barely coped, but have never known it to fill with seawater during a storm, does anyone know of it doing so? In the 70s the cellars under the arcades were filled with old amusement machines and I don’t recall any of them being water damaged. <br />Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-39100482987220646442012-08-20T11:47:17.434+01:002012-08-20T11:47:17.434+01:00Where have you been Anon 10.25? Work is currently ...Where have you been Anon 10.25? Work is currently underway, on schedule and due to be complete in Jan 2013 on the new £6 millions Margate Flood Defences project. So tell me Anon when Ramsgates defences were built?. Deal also is getting a new £10 millions scheme. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-88165403631689343382012-08-20T10:25:51.979+01:002012-08-20T10:25:51.979+01:00Are you not worried the site will flood Michael? I...Are you not worried the site will flood Michael? It is rather close to the sea ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-19538414641094467382012-08-19T22:53:35.181+01:002012-08-19T22:53:35.181+01:00Anon 5.06 - "Jimmy Godden sold Dreamland to M...Anon 5.06 - "Jimmy Godden sold Dreamland to Margate Town Centre Regeneration Company" - Jimmy was the MTRC. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-73489160749247903722012-08-19T10:23:31.771+01:002012-08-19T10:23:31.771+01:00Its worth a read if you want to know the CPO regul...Its worth a read if you want to know the CPO regulations:<br /><a href="http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/147648.pdf" rel="nofollow">CPO government doc</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-36431954023920116312012-08-19T10:15:51.140+01:002012-08-19T10:15:51.140+01:00From he governmen ts CPO regulations:
2.11 The va...From he governmen ts CPO regulations:<br /><br />2.11 The value of the land is based upon what the land might be expected to<br />realise if sold in the open market by a willing seller.<br />2.12 In assessing the open market value of your land you are assumed to be a<br />willing seller. However, it is assumed that you would only be willing to sell at<br />the best price which you could reasonably achieve in the open market.<br />2.13 This open market value may be based on the existing use of the property.<br />However, it may reflect development value,<br /><br />So the fact that the owner has put plans in place for 474 dwelling but not recieved planning permission does not affect the valuation. the owner can assume that permission would have been given.<br />Could be why the owner has spent a small fortune on preparing such plans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-90615675571613643922012-08-18T22:40:34.451+01:002012-08-18T22:40:34.451+01:00It would interesting to know what the Council have...It would interesting to know what the Council have paid for other sites that they have acquired with our money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-85142654142905749832012-08-18T22:23:51.875+01:002012-08-18T22:23:51.875+01:00Sorry annon 9.57. Oh yes they can!! The Council...Sorry annon 9.57. Oh yes they can!! The Council should already have a valuation and have a good idea of what will be claimed. I say should!! They should also make an immediate compensation payment. Again I say should!! Food for some FOI questions perhaps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-63068572839153265062012-08-18T21:57:39.562+01:002012-08-18T21:57:39.562+01:00If the site doesn't have planning permission f...If the site doesn't have planning permission for housing then they can't expect to get the price as if it was to be sold for housing...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-91367242593592635692012-08-18T19:04:44.112+01:002012-08-18T19:04:44.112+01:00There is a communities.gov.uk guidance book availa...There is a communities.gov.uk guidance book available (CPO on search engine) that states that the seller can expect the market value including the value as a development site. Since the owner has extensive plans for their own development they will be expecting top dollar. They can also get back the fee to pay their own valuation experts. The fact that the site has been unused for many years does not affect the current valuation. I hope TDC has a development partner lined up with deep pockets and maybe they have learned the lessons of appointing an offshore company with no track record of a simmilar project as they appeared to have done with Pleasurama. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-44958217954732576882012-08-18T18:59:54.393+01:002012-08-18T18:59:54.393+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-69816605886983763692012-08-18T18:59:28.770+01:002012-08-18T18:59:28.770+01:00In the late 40's I lived as a child, age 7/8, ...In the late 40's I lived as a child, age 7/8, in the 'Station Hotel' Margate [which became the Flag & Whistle and is now closed down]. I would fall asleep at night to the sound of the excited screams from the girls on the Scenic Railway. <br /><br />We advertised Dreamland in the Pub and so received complimentary tickets for the rides. Which meant that I spent much of the summer in Dreamland. Mostly on my own; for in those days it was perfectly safe and natural for a seven year old to wander out by themselves. In addition to the rides I was fascinated by the spielers on their stalls.<br /><br /> Dreamland has gone now sadly never to return. Oh, there will be spin about how the site is to be used for entertainment which will persist for a couple of years before the land is inevitably sold for housing. Maybe this is the way it should be. I hope I'm wrong.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-14068562018959495592012-08-18T17:47:37.289+01:002012-08-18T17:47:37.289+01:00A CPO is surely similar to the repossession of a h...A CPO is surely similar to the repossession of a house where the owners have defaulted, except that here the owners [who clearly have defaulted the people of Margate by doing nothing with the site for the last 7 years] will get some money back.<br />It appears that the owners have a massive mortgage and no tangible assets or income so maybe we just wait for them to go into admin or bankruptcy? <br />Otherwise, I would suggest that their original £20m is reduced by 10% for each year that the site has been derelict during their ownership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-53372862464965235512012-08-18T17:06:23.667+01:002012-08-18T17:06:23.667+01:00according to wikipedia Jimmy Godden sold Dreamland...according to wikipedia Jimmy Godden sold Dreamland to Margate Town Centre Regeneration Company in 2005 for £20m, so a £20 million price tag could just be a starting point. <br />The current owners plans were for 474 dwellings. So I guess they will be asking about £25 millions for this part of the site and another £10 millons for the amusements and retail part of the site. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com