tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post3317993105456155761..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: The Royal Sands Development on the Pleasurama site in Ramsgate, up before cabinet again next week.Michael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-59862347026959235852013-04-07T22:50:43.189+01:002013-04-07T22:50:43.189+01:00Hi! This post could not be written any better!
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The storm of 1978 proved how powerful the sea can be, damaging the modern sea defences at Dumpton, so you would think TDC would be taking more interest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-53165611278817158362012-08-01T20:41:27.355+01:002012-08-01T20:41:27.355+01:00David the situation here has changed over the last...David the situation here has changed over the last 10 years when the planning application was approved the building was to have been founded on driven piles into the bedrock, the subsequent cliff survey said that this wouldn’t be safe because of the vibration, so the developer agreed to use bored piles into the bedrock, this was subsequently changed in 2010 to shallow foundations on sand that is behind an 1860 sea defence, which the council have told me in writing has no maintenance or survey record and no design plans. <br /><br />The council assure me that they are happy with this situation and it conforms to their statutory obligations.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-18147814683749398112012-08-01T20:13:46.156+01:002012-08-01T20:13:46.156+01:00I remember the storm of 1978; I was aged 14 and wa...I remember the storm of 1978; I was aged 14 and was amazed at the damage to Ramsgate harbour wall and also to the sea defences at Dumpton Gap. I now live in Devon but as a frequent visitor to Broadstairs I have been watching with interest the progress (or lack of it!) with this developmnent. I am staggered with some of the observations that Michael Child has made and in particular the fact that the footings of the development rest on sand. I can't understand why they weren't piled into the chalk. Surely this is negligent building practice. So my question to Michael is has he asked this question of TDC?<br /><br />Thanks <br />David HoggardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-29233140590484186492012-07-24T15:55:22.841+01:002012-07-24T15:55:22.841+01:0010.41 sorry about the delay in replying, tied up w...10.41 sorry about the delay in replying, tied up with work.<br /><br />Seems to me that the people involved in this development who want to build it on an EA designated high risk flood zone without a flood risk assessment may have rather unusual motives. <br /><br />Would they be for or against a successful development that would benefit Ramsgate?<br /><br />Or would they have some other political or financial motives? Well you tell us.<br /><br />I am curious about this, particularly as any costs would almost certainly be met by the national sea defence budget and not the council or developer.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-64515218775025064622012-07-24T13:44:18.544+01:002012-07-24T13:44:18.544+01:00....hello there clive.......hello there clive...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-21477980429161966412012-07-23T22:41:04.461+01:002012-07-23T22:41:04.461+01:00It seems to me that what they are saying is the sc...It seems to me that what they are saying is the scheme has complied with every UK 'statutory' requirement required. It might not meet Michael Childs rules.....but hey ho....<br /><br />The whole 'Global Funding' world is in complete turmoil.....yet the fact that the developer and funders retain such a positive approach to the project should give us all confidence that Thanet is finally back on the map....TDC should be applauded for retaining this investment for the town.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-54526599495633624092012-07-20T17:20:51.528+01:002012-07-20T17:20:51.528+01:00Elderblog, it is very hard to work out what their ...Elderblog, it is very hard to work out what their intentions are, the stopping of work had all the look of being unplanned as they were in the middle of the job and just walked away. I had a lot of difficulty and some on site rudeness from one of the workers there before I could get them to secure the steel store they had left open, not a good place for children to play.<br /><br />The council say it was the developer who asked the council to sell them the freehold and I would guess they would have expected both the cabinet and lawyers delays as it requires a new development agreement. <br /><br />I would guess they would have expected the freehold sale to go through the asset disposal process too, but the council seem to think this is one asset they can dispose of without the normal scrutiny and consultation process, so it looks like the thing is going through much faster than the developer would have expected, unless of course the council had already assured the developer that the asset disposal process could be circumvented. <br /><br />From the local paper article the developer seems to have told the council that off plan reservations have been much better than they really are, I don’t know what the significance of that would be. <br /><br />The council says that the planning permission will never lapse on this one and is valid in perpetuity, because the developer laid the access road before the 5years in the planning consent conditions expired. I guess if you or I tried this, even with something as insignificant as a garden shed, we wouldn’t gat away with it. <br /><br />I can understand the council officers concerns but have to say that the continued support of elected members for this non-development doesn’t make much sense. I don’t think there have been many voted gained due to the last ten years of unsightly building site.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-75669263158538470972012-07-20T16:49:46.470+01:002012-07-20T16:49:46.470+01:00And so.......why have they stopped construction fo...And so.......why have they stopped construction for the last few months?<br />-because they cannot raise enough money without selling more off plan?<br />-because they are waiting on the cabinet decision?<br />-because they only needed to do enough to prevent the planning permission lapsing and ensure a large compensation if/when the council pulls the development?<br /><br />Does anybody know?Elderbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13346210838570697727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-47624390576243978052012-07-19T20:38:16.906+01:002012-07-19T20:38:16.906+01:0011.26 I have added a picture of the damage to the ...11.26 I have added a picture of the damage to the harbour wall during the 1978 storm to the post above.<br /><br />I guess you missed this one, and the 1953 one that deposited a 12 ton crane that had been working on beach over the sea defence and into middle of The Royal Sands site being about 100 you would have missed the 1897 storm that demolished the buildings down there and resulted in the building of the pavilion.<br /><br />The Granville Marina (houses that lead up to Nero’s) are behind a modern EA maintained concrete sea defence, (there is a whole historical story about the early problems with this sea defence) even so the recently rebuilt No1 Granville Marina had a flood risk assessment which stipulated that it was built on piles bored into the chalk bedrock.<br /><br />The problem with The Royal Sands is that it sits on sand behind an unmaintained 160 year old sea wall, this sand was the old sand beach, the level of the site was raised by laying the chalk spoil from the railway tunnel so the station could be built on it.<br /><br />The chalk bedrock under the sand is at about the same level as low tide is now, so much lower than any of the things you mention.<br /><br />For clarification I will reiterate the foundations that were built recently for The Royal Sands, were built on sand, the sea is next to the development, waves wash away sand, therefore the structural integrity of the sea defence between the sea and the foundations needs checking before people live in the development, the sea defence may be ok and it may not be ok. <br /><br />I asked the contractors MD if they checked the sea defence and he told me they hadn’t, so I asked the council’s engineer for the plans and maintenance record relating to the sea defence. He confirmed that it is a council owned and maintained structure, that the council have no plans for it and have no record of ever maintaining it or surveying it. <br /><br />Now frankly whether you are for or against the development, have a financial interest in the thing or not, if there is anything wrong with the sea defence the repairs would be paid for out of national government funds, so what is your objection to assessing whether it is safe enough to build a residential development, founded on sand behind it?Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-76198491660141836922012-07-19T08:18:18.877+01:002012-07-19T08:18:18.877+01:00You have an excellent grasp of the internet for so...You have an excellent grasp of the internet for someone pushing 100, well done!Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-33096702290112231232012-07-18T23:26:00.244+01:002012-07-18T23:26:00.244+01:00If Michael is correct the 'floods' would d...If Michael is correct the 'floods' would destroy all of the houses that lead up to the old Nero's site. Should the owners/occupiers be evacuated. the whole of Sandwich is built on land with a far greater flood risk. Should Sandwich town therefore be demolished? <br /><br />The old Tiberius building would be unusable? I have lived in Ramsgate for nearly 100 years I have never since anything like the storms that Michael has suggested......Having looked at the plan for Royal Sands....I would feel very safe in any of the apartments...especially given that they are 4 metres above promenade level.....mind you might not be able to pop down to Pete's fish factory until the tide went outAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-10865637097938827442012-07-18T17:22:05.322+01:002012-07-18T17:22:05.322+01:00The building may not be coming along but the lands...The building may not be coming along but the landscaping is really blooming.<br /><br />Ramsgate could have the largest game of hoop-la in the world. Throwing full size hola-hoops from the top of the cliff, onto the columns to win a gigantic teddy bear. At £1 a go it could start a fund for the building, more chance than borrowing from our helpful bankers.Readithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04343086161535755495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-56742779116532948212012-07-18T17:01:54.908+01:002012-07-18T17:01:54.908+01:00Chuck I think it mat be the officers fears of the ...Chuck I think it mat be the officers fears of the developer engaging in litigation to recover their expenses so far that is stopping the council from pulling out. <br /><br />The development agreement is very loosely worded.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-42433178235343360162012-07-18T16:57:31.899+01:002012-07-18T16:57:31.899+01:00Thanks Ben I tend to write up these things from me...Thanks Ben I tend to write up these things from memory and check the exact details afterwards.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-21905590338995996742012-07-18T16:42:30.583+01:002012-07-18T16:42:30.583+01:00I cannot understand why TDC refuse to stick their ...I cannot understand why TDC refuse to stick their heads above the parapet and allay these continuing doubts. Or maybe I do. I do wish that a good forensic journalist would take an interest. There is a meaty story for them here.<br /><br />Michael, On a personal note, I fear that some of the anonymice are out to get me. Is it something I've said?John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51203959935380332062012-07-18T07:49:37.465+01:002012-07-18T07:49:37.465+01:00As the developers have done diddlysquat for the la...As the developers have done diddlysquat for the last few years, I find it incredible that the council should even consider giving them another lifeline. It should be a hard line! Either put up [the buildings you promised] or shut up and go and work for some cowboy organisation that shares your sense of values, priorities, adherance to contractual agreements.<br />This debacle dont 'arf sound like the DReamland situation .... do nowt and bleat like a stuck pig if anyone tries to take it away from you.<br />The next with a crazy idea to make TDC the suckers, form a line right here.chuck cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-14720503799764074802012-07-17T23:45:43.342+01:002012-07-17T23:45:43.342+01:00Marina Road collapsed on Thursday, 5th July, 1877 ...Marina Road collapsed on Thursday, 5th July, 1877 at around 11 am. This was on the morning of the grand opening of Mr Edmund F Davis`s Granville Marina. The collapse was very embarrassing for Davis, as Marina road formed part of the opening procession route for dignitaries such as the Lord Mayor of London.<br /><br />Ben KellyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com