tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post4879574749262828220..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Thanet District Council Meeting Tomorrow, Animal Exports, Airport, Webcasting, Standards.Michael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-83559239227076733782011-07-20T08:09:43.996+01:002011-07-20T08:09:43.996+01:00Can only think the wind was very light so as not t...Can only think the wind was very light so as not to be significant, or it was not westerly. You cannot deny the laws of physics. Don't take my word for it, ask any pilot.Resident under the flight pathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-706238160995895172011-07-19T20:35:53.121+01:002011-07-19T20:35:53.121+01:00If flight paths are determined by wind direction w...If flight paths are determined by wind direction why were all the planes taking off over Ramsgate today when the wind was westerly?Tim Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360638835659673415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-89995987648810383272011-07-17T05:35:14.401+01:002011-07-17T05:35:14.401+01:00Michael, the approach of an aircraft is primarily ...Michael, the approach of an aircraft is primarily determined by two things, wind direction, and air traffic regulations - see <a href="http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/pamslight-31EE28E8B3065DF78E0AB30C3BDE73E0/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/AIP/AD/EG_AD_2_EGMH_en_2011-05-05.pdf" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> for regulations. In the northern hemisphere winds are predominantly from the west which usually determines an approach over Ramsgate.<br /><br />With regard to the air temperatures, I wasn’t aware that flights to Manston only come from Northern Europe!!Resident under the flight pathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-78836145025611233372011-07-15T16:41:59.927+01:002011-07-15T16:41:59.927+01:00Such tosh, no doubt instigated by airport fanatics...Such tosh, no doubt instigated by airport fanatics. If only these people could use rational argument to make their case rather than resorting to emotional blackmail. <br /><br />There are no flights which go from Manston to Afghanistan. The night flights which are taking place are just cruddy old freighters which wouldn't be allowed to do this elsewhere in the UK.<br /><br />Yes, many of us have good reason to be supporting troops in Afghanistan. But flights to support troops can easily take-off from other airports, where night-flying is not going to wake thousands of people up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-88533679369231705232011-07-15T16:18:02.113+01:002011-07-15T16:18:02.113+01:00RUTFP on the whole I post, you comment and then I ...RUTFP on the whole I post, you comment and then I comment in response.<br /><br />In the first instance this is not about cheap pr but an attempt to communicate with local people, especially those local people effected by flights. <br /><br />It is quite simple, there are those companies that attempt to develop a relationship with the local community and become seen as part of that community, and there are those companies that are seen as outside entitles that are alienated from the local community.<br /><br />I think the truth is that Infratil either specify the flight approach or give the companies the option and as flying over Ramsgate often means that they use slightly less fuel then these outside companies that have no relationship to maintain with the local community take the cheapest option. <br /><br />The very high temperatures in the night and early morning that effect air density you mention, are not a feature of northern European airports.<br /><br />13.15 I don’t think there is much chance of fattening it up, at the moment, clutching at straws seems more apposite. <br /><br />It would be interesting if they really did look for a solution based on; the lack of an improving European aviation scene lifting activity and hence income, I am pretty sure some sort of heritage aircraft based solution with a small regional airport, is their best way forward.<br /><br />Stargazer, I imagine you like me have no qualms about being woken up by some sort of mercy flight, or a flight involving our troops abroad, it does seem that recently this is what most of the night flights have been. Strange that they seem to be reluctant to tell us this.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-48336594901456804982011-07-14T15:32:58.653+01:002011-07-14T15:32:58.653+01:00I was woken at 0355 on the 1st of July by a very n...I was woken at 0355 on the 1st of July by a very noisy aircraft,this contravened the 106 so I phoned Manston to enquire if it was a mercy flight they took my name and address but up to now there has been no explanation.<br /> StargazerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-63396210824872415382011-07-14T13:15:34.178+01:002011-07-14T13:15:34.178+01:00Time will tell whether Infratil are just trying to...Time will tell whether Infratil are just trying to fatten up Manston to take it to market. I refer you to an extract from their latest annual report. -<br /><br />"The airports in Glasgow and Kent represent 4% of Infratil’s assets and contributed an EBITDAF loss of £5 million (NZ$10 million) for the year.<br />Management is very aware of this disproportionate value/contribution<br />aspect and the situation is receiving the urgent attention it warrants.<br />There are several solutions possible, but regrettably the preferred one,<br />an improving European aviation scene lifting activity and hence income, seems the least likely." <br /><br />I guess selling it is one of the 'several solutions' the report mentions.<br />For a company whose stated aim is to generated a 20% return on investors money running Manston and Prestwick are distractions they can do without.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-66045693641659619972011-07-14T10:21:47.206+01:002011-07-14T10:21:47.206+01:00Michael, I find it very difficult to read your bia...Michael, I find it very difficult to read your biased nonsense and not comment. You accuse Infratil of not taking the opportunity for a bit of cheap PR. Do you think it’s PR that we the residents want? Of course not, we want a sensible working solution that will benefit everyone, not title tattle. I’m sure you would be one of the first to pick on such publicity as a cheap attempt to influence us. If you are really interested in what’s happening at Manston try <a href="http://www.manstonmovements.co.uk/forum/" rel="nofollow">http://www.manstonmovements.co.uk/forum/</a>.<br /><br />You mention Infratil “fly a noisy plane at 7am on still Sunday morning low over the town” and “carry on endless low training flights over the town”. First, I would suggest that use of “low”, “still” and “endless” are emotive words used to accentuate your opinion and have little relevance in a sound argument. I would also doubt your mention of “Sunday” as being relevant in today’s world. The truth is that Infratil don’t “carry on” any of these flights, they accommodate them (someone has to) and aircraft approach and depart on set patterns. <br /><br />Flight times are often dictated by climatic and other conditions at the point of departure or arrival. Fully laden aircraft taking off from short runways have to take account of air density, which is a product of air pressure and temperature, Very high temperatures can significantly reduce air density and therefore the efficiency of an aircraft. In such circumstances movements are often restricted to certain times of the day when the climate is acceptable, which in turn can dictate the arrival or departure times at Manston. I don’t think the extended flying times are a cynical ploy by Infratil to upset the people of Ramsgate!Resident under the flight pathnoreply@blogger.com