tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post963562994656317999..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Pleasurama Ramsgate Royal Sands Pancake Day update.Michael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-62658110411999484012011-03-09T18:30:14.241+00:002011-03-09T18:30:14.241+00:00Michael. As you know for many years I have been a...Michael. As you know for many years I have been after Kent Police for failing to act on our security warnings given before the 22.9.89 bombing of Deal Royal Marines Barracks.<br /><br />I pride myself as playing my part in the creation of the IPCC and the creation of Article 2 Inquests.<br /><br />Almost seamlessly people now follow the July terrorist bombings and the fact that the Inquest has called MI5 and Emergency Services to establish whether there was a failure to protect life.<br /><br />In Ulster Gerry Adams is trying to promote the holding of a retrospective Article 2 Inquest to look at the Ballymurphy massacre of 1971. A little known pre-cursor event to the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre.<br /><br />And my position is if Ballymurphy can have an Article 2 Inquest then so should the 11 Royal Marines killed in the 1989 IRA bombing of Deal Barracks.<br /><br />Of course warnings are given to prevent tragedies. Liek warnings given before the Deal bombing which police did not act on and like warnings being ignored by Kent Police in 96 which Jonathan Aitken took direct to MI5. Correct warnings and pre-emptive arrests of the IRA infrastructure attack team occurred and they received 35 years per man with us suffering no loss of life.<br /><br />You should recognise that authority may fail to act upon your best articulated and technically flawless arguments.<br /><br />And you should recognise that if something then goes wrong you should have been holding the threat of questions at an Article 2Inquest over their heads like the sword of Damocles. Hope for the best that authority acts well but also prepare to hammer their bollocks on an anvil if there is tragedy as a result of them getting it wrong.<br /><br />In the meantime TDC now seem to have a reputable builder on site and to be making the most sensible decisions in the circumstances largely of their own creation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-54745386878815981392011-03-09T13:38:03.258+00:002011-03-09T13:38:03.258+00:00The Londoner, the problem here is not so much abou...The Londoner, the problem here is not so much about the greatness of the scheme, but which scheme.<br /><br />This started about 10 years ago with a scheme backed by Whitbread, everyone looked at it and yes it appeared to be a great scheme, the then Labour council looked at it carefully and approved it.<br /><br />Then we came to the local elections and during the confused bit when the new administration new plans came along, although the written bit, the bit people who aren’t trained as architects could understand, the planning and design statement, was almost the same, the architectural drawings were very different.<br /><br />The main problem with these new drawings was that they were for a building that was much taller than the cliff. By the time anyone had noticed this it was past the time limit for objecting to the plans. I think quite simply that someone had made a mistake when measuring the height of the cliff. In large companies and in local government it is very difficult to admit a mistake, so the plans were passed.<br /><br />So you then had a situation where the developer had permission to build a building that he couldn’t possibly build, it just didn’t fit in the space between the high tide mark and the cliff behind it.<br /><br />Since then the remit for the architect has been to try and make the building fit without making anything that would count as material change and invalidate the planning approval.<br /><br />During that time the area has been re designated high risk in terms of flood and storm risk and problems have come to light regarding the cliff, so if he was to start again and submit plans for a building suitable it would have to take into account a number of factors.<br /><br />Cliff maintenance, flood and storm safety precautions and so on, but no not the great scheme that the architect designed with a gull winged roof that looked a bit like an ocean liner, described in the planning and design statement on the councils planning website, that isn’t what is going to be built.<br /><br />The have had to cut the gull wings off because they stood above the height of the cliff, road access has been changed because the cliff wall doesn’t go down far enough to reach ground level, now it looks cramped and dangerous.<br /><br />Well the list goes on, but one of the questions that I asked the council for is a realistic description of the building we are going to get, including artists impressions and a description of the material that they have had to change. With this than at least we have something to discuss, as it is we only have the architects drawings that have been modified I think seven times now. <br /><br />23.37 the problem here is that the building when built will have about 1,000 people in it, so the I told you so route just isn’t on. <br /><br />23.42 the contractor Cardy construction have a good track record, use local labour and I suspect if you contact them will tighten site security.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-3596521273306188052011-03-09T12:43:46.918+00:002011-03-09T12:43:46.918+00:00I will do my best to respond to the diverse commen...I will do my best to respond to the diverse comment here, please look at my previous posts on this subject for more detail, see http://thanetonline.blogspot.com/search/label/Pleasurama%20development <br /> <br />Retired my objective over the safety issues here is to encourage a safe development, not to seek recrimination afterwards if there is an accident.<br /> <br />22.02 I agree with you completely and have been trying to find out why the whole building schedule looks to be back to front for some time.<br /> <br />The PSV access is from the Broadstairs end and I would assume that staring from this end and completing the building in sections, would help considerably towards financing the project.<br /> <br />22.09 the HSE involvement stems from a complaint by me, here is the series of events: <br /> <br />I noticed a blocked drain on the cliff top with the surface around it damaged, the cliff face below this had got wet and part of it was loose.<br /><br />At there were men working below this masonry I reported it to the HSE, nothing happened for a couple of weeks so I phoned the HSE up and they told me that they had contacted TDC who had told them that there was nothing wrong with the cliff there.<br /><br />Three days later a large piece of masonry fell off, from far enough up to right through a hard hat, fortunately no one was standing under it at the time.<br /><br />You could say my communications with the HSE since have been tempered with this information, but like all government departments they don’t seem to have a facility for the event where they make a mistake.<br /><br />Consequentially the drain is still blocked, more masonry has come lose and men are still working beneath it. Don’t take my word for this, go and have a look.<br /><br />Bit tied up but will respond to the other comments as I get timeMichael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-91146174995292138302011-03-08T23:42:16.929+00:002011-03-08T23:42:16.929+00:00If the contractor is so reputable how come they ha...If the contractor is so reputable how come they haven't got any security on site? On Sunday I saw kids climbing over the fencing, playing on the new foundations and climbing on the machinery that was parked up there. As far as I can see they haven't even got a CCTV camera set up so that they can watch what's going on from a control room.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-62253645403020871122011-03-08T23:37:47.311+00:002011-03-08T23:37:47.311+00:00tdc turning over and having its tummy tickled agai...tdc turning over and having its tummy tickled again, the whole thing is rather a farce. I very much doubt the HSE has given its approval, its not what they are there for, but you can rest assured they will come down like a ton of bricks when something untoward happens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-27087927200245587922011-03-08T22:14:57.436+00:002011-03-08T22:14:57.436+00:00Great scheme, superb design, lovely views,high pro...Great scheme, superb design, lovely views,high profile neighbours,lovely Town, forward thinking Town Council,good bookshops in the area. Happy days......the Londonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-88161433261740127162011-03-08T22:09:30.099+00:002011-03-08T22:09:30.099+00:00It is very reassuring that the HSE have given thei...It is very reassuring that the HSE have given their approval and go head for the project. They would not have given the project the nod without a thorough and robust review of matters. The Developer should also be applauded for having the courage and faith to push ahead with the scheme in these current market conditions. It provides great confidence in Ramsgate as a destination. Bravo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-12160296907026337622011-03-08T22:02:50.338+00:002011-03-08T22:02:50.338+00:00I am a very experienced builder and it is perfectl...I am a very experienced builder and it is perfectly obvious that you would build (As Cardy's are)from the Broadstairs end of the site - with the Hotel being the closing Phase of the job. Otherwise if the Hotel was built first it would restrict access to the whole site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-49347683607621048032011-03-08T18:24:37.059+00:002011-03-08T18:24:37.059+00:00As I understand it there is a reputable contractor...As I understand it there is a reputable contractor on site. <br /><br />The HSE have put TDC on the spot to produce a cliff maintenance plan.<br /><br />So maybe TDC position is the most sensible in the circumstances ?<br /><br />There is plenty you have admirably put on the record. If something goes wrong in future, especially if it involves loss of life, TDC will have some explaining to do directly to an HM Coroner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com