tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post1057964949871314199..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: The Great British Pizza Company Margate, a ramble and a few picturesMichael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-32818629604739047602012-11-17T10:40:25.772+00:002012-11-17T10:40:25.772+00:00Anonymous 10:18,
Manston was a front line Battle ...Anonymous 10:18,<br /><br />Manston was a front line Battle Of Britain station. A battle fought by RAF pilots barely out of their teens. Some of them are alive today as old men. How does this fact fit your nebulous thesis that old folk have damaged Thanet? <br /><br />But then I suspect that you are nothing more than an Internet troll. Or maybe you been frightened off the pavement by a would be Fangio Pensioner on a Mobility Scooter. John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-41180832522763942202012-11-17T10:15:24.488+00:002012-11-17T10:15:24.488+00:0010:18 There were some RAF types who made it possib...10:18 There were some RAF types who made it possible for you to enjoy the right to publish your views on this blogsite. Do not dismiss people simply because of their percieved age or background. Do we know how old you are or what you have done in life or, for that matter, does it in anyway effect your right to an opinion.<br /><br />It would just be nice sometime if, when giving your opinion, you qualified your arguments a bit better. After all, how have old people damaged Thanet. Many of the real oldies worked on farms which is hardly damaging.<br /><br />Also, before you dismiss me as another RAF pensioner, I did my call up in the army, Suez and all that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-81860804977359615452012-11-17T00:51:51.891+00:002012-11-17T00:51:51.891+00:00Anonymous 10:18PM,
Your ability to jump to ridicu...Anonymous 10:18PM,<br /><br />Your ability to jump to ridiculous conclusions is of an olympic standard. <br /><br />You say, "Haven't you old folks done enough damage to Thanet?" <br /><br />I do not recognise your point. Can you please elaborate? That is if you actually know what you mean. Which I doubt.<br /><br /><br />John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51142486409286697882012-11-16T22:18:06.140+00:002012-11-16T22:18:06.140+00:00Another 1960's RAF-er, no wonder Manston seems...<br />Another 1960's RAF-er, no wonder Manston seems viable as an airport despite the noise pollution, air pollution, aquifer, going bust again etc etc.<br /><br />Haven't you old folks done enough damage to Thanet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-50186088775653253852012-11-16T21:15:25.581+00:002012-11-16T21:15:25.581+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-4454524097208736512012-11-16T21:15:01.571+00:002012-11-16T21:15:01.571+00:00Tim,
I am quite sure that this is a happy hunting...Tim,<br /><br />I am quite sure that this is a happy hunting ground for the Diversity Champion.<br /><br />In 1968 I was still in the RAF, just. So going on a protest March would have been against QRs. However, I did have a friend in the RAF who used go on CND marches. He explained that this was not out of any desire to ban the bomb; rather it was because he found it a good way to pick up girls. <br /><br /> Once we had 'Ban The Bomb' and 'Anti Vietnam War' Woodstock and the Hippies. But now we have 'diversity'. 'fings ain't what they used to be. <br /><br /><br /><br />John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-53633724640207997332012-11-16T19:39:11.560+00:002012-11-16T19:39:11.560+00:00John. I agree. My protest antecedents go back to G...John. I agree. My protest antecedents go back to Grosvenor Square 1968 so I too have some form in this area. See my comments ref the PCC - the police do so because we say they can. The protest is only a handy medium for these people - if it did not exist then they would just revert to scrapping outside the pub or on the terraces. I wonder if this is not a happy hunting ground for the Diversity Champion - peaceful protesters as a minority!Tim Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360638835659673415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-81557359403573383592012-11-16T17:02:57.948+00:002012-11-16T17:02:57.948+00:00Tim,
When I lived in London I would from time to ...Tim,<br /><br />When I lived in London I would from time to time join in and march with the protesters just to find out what was going on. Without exception there was always a group whose primary purpose was to start a spat, no not a spat it was not petty, rather a fight with the police. My most memorable occasion was the anti Iraq War march. Which I left at the top of Whitehall when the fires started. The police did not start the fires.<br /><br />I always try to take a reasoned and balanced view. I do not need to be reminded that most protesters are sincere and peaceful. Similarly I do not need to be told that some are not.<br /><br />If anyone would like to hear some informed comments from the police then I recommend Inspector Gadget at http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/. This blog is always worth a look and a comment.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-31042549981531710352012-11-16T14:29:27.674+00:002012-11-16T14:29:27.674+00:00The lie here is exposed by the statement that two ...The lie here is exposed by the statement that two police officers did not know the way to Margate police station. Since it is now Thanet's only police station it is the one they work out of everyday.<br /><br />Gerard, rather than the local paragon of virtue painted, sounds a typical 'all coppers are pigs' anarchist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-33956369894118274352012-11-16T12:42:11.181+00:002012-11-16T12:42:11.181+00:00I am rather tickled by the little spat above. I al...I am rather tickled by the little spat above. I always had John down as the diplomatic voice of reason but our anonymous friend above didn't need to do much to send him over the edge. I got the Ipswich bit straight away - it was the port the Jolene went to when Ramsgate shut the doors. These people were probably protesters from that period.<br />I suppose the point of shouting at the lorries is not so much to scare the drivers or shame them into stopping. If no-one turned up then our politicians would think that no-one cared, stop their efforts to halt the trade and move on to something else.<br /><br />Section 14 of the Public Order Act does seem a little heavy-handed and I certainly have serious reservations about the way police forces deal with demonstrations. Kent police have been criticised for their handling of the Kingsnorth protests so they have previous in this matter. Tim Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360638835659673415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-91033582780563275382012-11-16T12:18:59.384+00:002012-11-16T12:18:59.384+00:00When bad men combine, the good must associate; els...When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-62723075013267047642012-11-16T12:16:36.882+00:002012-11-16T12:16:36.882+00:00anon 11:05,
You say, "So to your way of thin...anon 11:05,<br /><br />You say, "So to your way of thinking anyone who is protesting in the port and is not local cannot have a view on this matter and is a "professional"? Anyone who has a mobile phone with video capability is a "professional"? You say that you support the protests but presumably only if the protesters have a CT11 postcode and don't take a camera with them."<br /><br />This is nonsense. I implied nothing of the sort. <br /><br />Clearly, you a nurse a strong resentment against the police and have a axe to grind. I suggest that you take it up with the IPCC (www.ipcc.gov.uk/). Or maybe your solicitor can aid you. At the risk of being frank, I am not the slightest bit concerned about your dealings with the police.<br /><br />You ask me if Ipswich rings any bells for me - nudge nudge, wink wink. No it doesn't, at least not in the context of demonstrations or the police. If you think that you know me then tell me your name. <br /> John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-68594005354405194122012-11-16T11:24:14.779+00:002012-11-16T11:24:14.779+00:00Turning up to shout at lorries won't stop the ...Turning up to shout at lorries won't stop the exports. It will just raise police costs. Give up, go home. Stay home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-17167385148535581482012-11-16T11:05:42.165+00:002012-11-16T11:05:42.165+00:00John
So to your way of thinking anyone who is pro...John<br /><br />So to your way of thinking anyone who is protesting in the port and is not local cannot have a view on this matter and is a "professional"? Anyone who has a mobile phone with video capability is a "professional"? You say that you support the protests but presumably only if the protesters have a CT11 postcode and don't take a camera with them. <br /><br />This video has appeared elsewhere on the Twittersphere so I've done a bit of investigating - it's all there on Twitter if you look.. You are right in your assumption that they are not local - they are from Suffolk (Ipswich ring any bells?) The camera was obviously to shoot their own corroborative footage - you'll see why later. They object to the live export of animals for slaughter - as I said earlier, in the context of the port of Ramsgate is such an objection limited to the non-camera-owning residents of that town?<br /><br />I'll end this comment with a Facebook posting from Gerard Banes. Gerard is a local (Ramsgate) vegan (cue uneducated, ill-informed hate comments) and a local drugs councillor. He has attended these protests from the beginning and has always stayed within the law. I'll let his words speak for him.<br /><br />"Just to let you all know after last truck had gone through the Port today I was leaving designated area to leave protest altogether and gather placards but was grabbed by 2 police officers. Arrested, taken to Margate Police station, police did not know way so directed them. Spent 5 hours in custody. Photographed; dna swabs taken; fingers, hands and palm prints taken. Interviewed after 3.5 hours in custody. Gave "no comment" all 15 mins of it. Returned to cell. Released at 3pm charged with failure to comply with sec 14 to stay in designated area for duration of protest and allegedly protesting outside designated area. Court date Thurs 20-12-12 @ 9:30am. Thanks for everyone's support today.<br />Interestingly, custody seargent (sic) was going to bail me to ban me from Port but because of no pre-existing offences declined. I was given clear impression that police strategy is looking to arrest, charge and arrest and charge again so as to then apply bail conditions to ban protesters from Port. Freedom to protest is being systematically eroded by Kent Constabulary. We must keep up protests. Right is on our side." So obviously he would have done better to leave the placards where they were, littering the ground.<br /><br />Gerard works for the good guys, trying to get people off drugs and hence out of a life of crime. John, you say that you support the protesters - well get down there and protest; not just about the export business but also about the tactics that the police are using in our name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-3405703039548614292012-11-16T00:52:33.371+00:002012-11-16T00:52:33.371+00:00You are right to assert that civil servants, ex or...You are right to assert that civil servants, ex or otherwise, should not make assumptions. But this does not preclude them from reaching conclusions. You proffer the explanation that these people were locals on their way from Minister. If this were the case then how do explain that several of them were readily equipped with video cameras? Your reaction and words convince me that these were indeed professional protesters and that you are presumably one of them. John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-52455102571837564862012-11-16T00:39:23.703+00:002012-11-16T00:39:23.703+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-71196518516545358202012-11-15T22:54:15.548+00:002012-11-15T22:54:15.548+00:00Probably the police, John Hoyler!Probably the police, John Hoyler!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-42783724674772722012-11-15T22:38:02.007+00:002012-11-15T22:38:02.007+00:00How do you know that these were professional prote...How do you know that these were professional protesters? An ex civil servant like you should know better than to make assumptions. The site of the crash looks like the new road to the west of Cliffsend so they could have been locals on their way from, say, Minster. The increasing use of Section 14 to kettle the small number of protesters is looking more and more heavy-handed - remember that our police do so with our consent. To anonymous above I would also point out that there were two "twerps" with cameras, and given the corruption allegations brought today against five Kent police officers, as well as the industrial lying that went on after Hillsborough I would say that a member of the public had every right to film things for his own protection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-18607571283667525052012-11-15T21:40:44.006+00:002012-11-15T21:40:44.006+00:00I welcome the protest against animal exports. Howe...I welcome the protest against animal exports. However, some of the professional protesters, the kind that turn up at every and any demonstration, are obnoxious. I thought the police handled the car incident well. I wonder which the protesters dislike more, the animal exporters or the police.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-30618235157511416982012-11-15T21:34:32.170+00:002012-11-15T21:34:32.170+00:00Michael,
The tea: you should have sent it back. I...Michael,<br /><br />The tea: you should have sent it back. It's the only way they will ever learn. We put up with too much, in our British Way.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-58721854435132090602012-11-15T20:32:22.377+00:002012-11-15T20:32:22.377+00:00If you posted a photograph of a pavement pizza I w...If you posted a photograph of a pavement pizza I would understand his complaint.A J Ovendenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07145698477921862643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-75942711892092309822012-11-15T20:26:53.354+00:002012-11-15T20:26:53.354+00:00A revealing video. As if the police didn't hav...A revealing video. As if the police didn't have enough to contend with, without every self-important "twerp with a cause" sticking cameras in their faces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-27446610617564981222012-11-15T20:19:13.089+00:002012-11-15T20:19:13.089+00:00Peter I think the problem really relates to findin...Peter I think the problem really relates to finding some way of paying increasing shop overheads when sales are decreasing. I would think the greatest profit is in selling prepared food and drink, with the difference between the ingredients cost and selling price of a cup of tea being the most extreme example.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-39251316559269985162012-11-15T20:11:32.584+00:002012-11-15T20:11:32.584+00:00Until around 5 years ago there were at least 3 gre...Until around 5 years ago there were at least 3 greengrocers in Margate, now there's none... and that's the big problem with the so called "Turner Effect", it tends to be cafes, galleries and over-priced junk shops rather than regular day to day things (unless people eat pizza instead of fruit every day that is). Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-32674163607648363212012-11-15T18:14:17.413+00:002012-11-15T18:14:17.413+00:00Tim my last American pizza experience Frankie and ...Tim my last American pizza experience Frankie and Bennys at WC, my cup of tea consisted of a cup of hot water with teabag on a saucer, never again. Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.com