tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post142134659336012190..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Royal Sands Development on the Pleasurama Site Ramsgate Update.Michael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-72730898875455532782012-04-04T00:12:14.188+01:002012-04-04T00:12:14.188+01:00Or alternatively, all the experts were wrong about...Or alternatively, all the experts were wrong about the Titanic so have they improved for the Royal Sands.Readithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04343086161535755495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-55369211312742507772012-04-03T16:37:56.180+01:002012-04-03T16:37:56.180+01:00Yes, one appears top be reading Hitchhikers Guide ...Yes, one appears top be reading Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and the other Biggles Learns to Fly and possibly something on prehistoric mathematics from the conversation this morning. Living in a building that is also a repository for more than 30,000 books limits my control in this area.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-64770783358076166342012-04-03T15:53:05.663+01:002012-04-03T15:53:05.663+01:00Nice one, Michael, and excellent aspirations to pa...Nice one, Michael, and excellent aspirations to pass on. By the way, are your daughters twins? Oh, and have they read any of Dr. Robert Hume's excellent books which are a good way to combine the pleasure of reading with learning some of the more obscure stories from history. Mind you, I suppose they are targetted at the sort of 13-15 level. Worth bearing in mind for the near future.BPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-39198746005777408282012-04-03T14:33:20.212+01:002012-04-03T14:33:20.212+01:00BP I have two ten year old girls who read this blo...BP I have two ten year old girls who read this blog, most of my rather inept attempts at art and photography are for their amusement, so I try to keep levels of civility reasonable.<br /><br />I have explained to them that they are to be Ladies and that the mark of a lady is that she is only rude deliberately. <br /><br />I have also explained to them that they are to be intelligent and they should aspire to only misunderstanding people deliberately too.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-4717409459440470302012-04-03T14:18:42.432+01:002012-04-03T14:18:42.432+01:00No animosity from my side, Michael, for it was Joh...No animosity from my side, Michael, for it was John who threw out his accusations and troll label. It really does not bother me and if it makes the old chap happy, well who am I to deny him his little pleasures!BPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-21657117891026287132012-04-03T13:48:56.725+01:002012-04-03T13:48:56.725+01:00BP merely trying to calm the waters here, in an ar...BP merely trying to calm the waters here, in an area where a difference of opinion shouldn’t lead to personal animosity.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-21691116041314564892012-04-03T12:29:11.653+01:002012-04-03T12:29:11.653+01:00Michael, this issue was not so much of credibility...Michael, this issue was not so much of credibility but a response to John's allegation that Ramsgate Person, an Anonymous and I were one and the same contributor. He also threw in the troll label, whatever that means, hence my reference to a well known tale of childhood.<br /><br />Anyway thanks for your reply although mine was not directed at you.Broadstairs Personnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-56933256717560822042012-04-03T12:06:39.175+01:002012-04-03T12:06:39.175+01:00BP I do try to reply to all of the comments that s...BP I do try to reply to all of the comments that seem to need a reply regardless of the degree of anonymity, which does relate to the comments credibility.<br /><br />In your own case at least you have given yourself a pseudonym, which makes it much easier to distinguish you from others.<br /><br />The level of credibility is of course higher for John, posting signed on as under that petard his identity remains the same and his credibility rests on his previous posts.<br /><br />The highest level of credibility must of course be given to people who are known publicly in the area, like Allan Poole and I am very grateful to them for taking the time to contribute to the debate in this very public forum.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-55691723034601712992012-04-03T11:06:46.337+01:002012-04-03T11:06:46.337+01:00Let me assure John that I am neither Ramsgate Pers...Let me assure John that I am neither Ramsgate Person or Anonymous and if he bothered to look closer there are distinct difference in the literacy style and format of these various contributions. I am also not a creature who waits under bridges for unsuspecting billy goats, perhaps because of the scarcity of such locations and creatures in Thanet.<br /><br />John has long suscribed to the belief that calling yourself Joe Bloggs and opening a google account somehow makes your contributions to these blogs more credible. If it so pleases his tiny mind, who am I to deny him, but I would ask where would all the blogs be without the anonymous and psuedonym contributions.Broadstairs Personnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51999391288920969142012-04-02T21:59:13.492+01:002012-04-02T21:59:13.492+01:00And I love you too, John, even if you are a groupi...And I love you too, John, even if you are a groupie with a spiteful turn of phrase.Broadstairs Personnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-36811159984062143582012-04-02T18:36:28.457+01:002012-04-02T18:36:28.457+01:00Anonymous replies
Just as I'd expect, if a re...Anonymous replies<br /><br />Just as I'd expect, if a responder doesn't follow Michael or his herd of sheep with typical replies, the content of thier blog is discounted or " your missing the point" used.....Bah, Bah, BahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-18081524685794724192012-04-02T17:11:26.063+01:002012-04-02T17:11:26.063+01:00Tom glad to know you are smart, but am on firmer g...Tom glad to know you are smart, but am on firmer ground about your age now, there is an element of particle physics here where you can’t measure the time if you can measure the place and vice versa. I was saying to my son that one has to do this particular experiment in the lab to believe it. <br /><br />Actually despite the various comments suggesting the Romans invented concrete it was I believe the Egyptians. <br /><br />On the subject of anyone investing that much money, I would want some information about other developments they have produced and would just like to confirm that we are talking about the same figures here, the preliminaries were £1,402,040 and the enabling works prior to transfer slab stage estimated at £2,237,022 but this stage hasn’t been reached yet.<br /><br />Cliff works additional to these figures approximately £900,000 from the council and £100,000 from SFP. <br /><br />There is also the self financing form sale of apartments, aspect of the development to consider, so the actual amount invested fluctuates, of course I am no expert in this area. <br /><br />I have no argument over the sand base being sufficient to support the development, providing the sea defence keeps the sand where it is and when the council’s engineer says the sea defence is protected by more sand, I am of course reassured by the pyramids, although for some reason still have to buy new razor blades. I guess because I lack faith, two year as an Anglican contemplative religious, makes me difficult to persuade in some areas. <br /><br />As Alice said “I forgot”Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-47260072759324814312012-04-02T16:42:17.364+01:002012-04-02T16:42:17.364+01:00For 'rember' read 'remember' - per...For 'rember' read 'remember' - perhaps a sign of age, who knows!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-25350726838132457682012-04-02T16:40:44.278+01:002012-04-02T16:40:44.278+01:00Michael you old flatterer, first I am smart and no...Michael you old flatterer, first I am smart and now not old enough to rember the 1967 cliff fall. Actually I don't but that is more to do with being in some far flung place serving HM than lack of age. <br /><br />Obviously you have your concerns, but I still find it hard to belief that anyone would risk such an investment without looking into the site properly first. Nor do I think the appropriate officers in the local council would be so remiss as to recommend planning approval without due research.<br /><br />As to the sand base, well the pyramids seem to have lasted a fair while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-26050476059397895332012-04-02T14:45:14.795+01:002012-04-02T14:45:14.795+01:00Tom there is a sense here where you have answered ...Tom there is a sense here where you have answered your own question, council spends £1m on filling the cracks and painting the cliff wall, council engineer supervises and signs off job. Almost immediately after this new cracks appear, I make so much fuss about one bit because it is so evidently dangerous, council spend another £22,000 patching it up, another bit comes lose, I contact engineer and warn him, he says it is safe, lump falls off, council repair cliff, don’t include cost in accounts and say they haven’t repaired it again, pictures if you want.<br /><br />I ask for independent survey, council say it doesn’t need one. <br /><br />Evidently you aren’t old enough to remember the last cliff collapse there, 20,000 tons flattened one of the arcades I think it was 1967 but would have to check, pictures and newspaper articles if you want. Nasty for the fire crew involved and it took ages as they didn’t know if anyone was buried underneath and then they surveyed the cliff got the concrete halfway up and it all collapsed again, one thing about thousands of tons of chalk is that it tends to go where it wants. <br /><br />The other buildings along the cliff, No1 Granville Marina recently rebuilt, pile bored, flood risk assessment, behind a modern good condition sea defence. The rest of Granville marina, part of an arched cliff support structure as the engineer says above the cliff wall behind the site isn’t a cliff support structure (this translates into unsupported chalk cliff), good modern sea defence too. <br /><br />Anyway as I have said over and over I am not saying it is dangerous, just that I want the cliff and sea defence assessed.<br /><br />Having tired of answering this form an engineering point of view I will answer the one about the sea defence biblically for a change. All of the foundations they have built so far are on sand, the engineer in his response to Allan above admits the sea defence is 150 years old and he hasn’t even got the plans to show how it was built, let alone holds any maintenance plans but he says this is ok because it is protected by sand. <br /><br />Incidentally the last big tidal wave to hit Merrie England left a ten to crane in its wake that it had swept off the beach.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-60394722013224793412012-04-02T14:23:30.594+01:002012-04-02T14:23:30.594+01:00Ramsgate Person, Broadstairs Person and Anonymous ...Ramsgate Person, Broadstairs Person and Anonymous sound suspiciously one of the same. Trolling, I wonder?John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-5569921782263921132012-04-02T14:21:38.107+01:002012-04-02T14:21:38.107+01:00Broadstairs Person,
It is apparent that you selec...Broadstairs Person,<br /><br />It is apparent that you selectively scan the substance of my comments and then go on to put two and two together and make make five. Which is a result that satisfies your rather poisonous prejudices. Your post is vacuous in the extreme.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-3962295486433508992012-04-02T13:25:33.747+01:002012-04-02T13:25:33.747+01:00Michael, thanks for the compliment but I cannot be...Michael, thanks for the compliment but I cannot be that smart or, looking round at our sad and morally devoid world, I would have taken the little black capsule a long time ago.<br /><br />Seriously though, I just find it hard to credit that after all this time, considerable investment and the ongoing support of the council and its officers, nobody has considered the problems you highlight. I have also seen many quite credible responses to your queries from those in authority or a position to know and sometimes wonder what it will take to finally convince you that all is well. After all, there are already buildings further along from the site that have seemingly survived the dual risks of avalanche and flooding for many years. As a kid I often took advantage of the rides in Merrie England and was never struck by a falling cliff or swept off the carousel by a tidal wave. Surely that was in the same spot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-74690712681713861022012-04-02T11:51:31.801+01:002012-04-02T11:51:31.801+01:00Tom a difficult one this, there are aspects of the...Tom a difficult one this, there are aspects of the council’s engineer’s reply, like moving the bit of cliff – the one with the brick pillars each side – out of the site completely, that worry me. <br /><br />Obviously we all risk our lives crossing the road, but at least expect the engineering community to ensure that road vehicles are able to stop when we walk out in front of them.<br /><br />In this case I am saying something akin to I think there may be a problem with one of the four wheels and the council’s engineer is saying something akin to the car only has three wheels, the wheel I talking about being elsewhere.<br /><br />Here in Ramsgate everyone can see which part of the cliff is in the building site, or that the car has four wheels.<br /><br />Now I have chatted with you before so I know you are pretty smart, so will be interested in what you have to say, particularly on whether we should have a cliff survey and flood risk assessment, or sort of carry on regardless.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-27776603788269276972012-04-02T11:44:40.206+01:002012-04-02T11:44:40.206+01:00Anonymous person with Thanet interests at Heart
I...Anonymous person with Thanet interests at Heart<br /><br />I’d like to thanks Alan Poole, Ramsgate & Broadstairs persons<br /><br />At last there are balanced comments on this site that rather than make the usual unfounded claims are actually based on the facts, the only shame is the potential damage unsubstantiated claims made by Michael have caused Royal Sands, Ramsgate and Thanet as a whole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-41834961499004366752012-04-02T11:17:08.295+01:002012-04-02T11:17:08.295+01:00Tom I think perhaps the argument is a little milde...Tom I think perhaps the argument is a little milder that that, along the lines of in view of the Titanic ships should have sufficient lifeboats and in view of the Environment Agency saying so Royal Sands should have a flood risk assessment.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-9644873474108639112012-04-02T11:16:25.498+01:002012-04-02T11:16:25.498+01:00Ramsgate Person, can I just suggest that you are w...Ramsgate Person, can I just suggest that you are wasting your time with John Holyer and Readit for they are both total Michael groupies who cling to his every pronouncement. As a bookshop owner he is evidently far more expert in these matters than the council, its officers, the developer and the architects, all of whom have failed to take account of the possibility of the Moon colliding with the Earth.Broadstairs Personnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-26894367654687965292012-04-02T11:08:26.638+01:002012-04-02T11:08:26.638+01:00Keep it going, Ken. What no more ships now in cas...Keep it going, Ken. What no more ships now in case they sink?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-18299248489172673602012-04-02T11:05:33.234+01:002012-04-02T11:05:33.234+01:00On that basis it might not be unreasonable to assu...On that basis it might not be unreasonable to assume that anytime now we could suffer a large meteor strike, not unlike the poor old dinosaurs, so on that basis perhaps we should build nothing. As for our stupid American cousins still building along their eastern sea coast when we all know that a large chunk of the Canary Isle is imminently going to plunge into the sea sending a huge tsunami gathering height and speed as it goes towards the US of A. Add the risks of rising sea levels, a nuclear winter, Iran with bomb, North Korea having long range ICBMs and Milliband as PM and I think it is time to take that little black capsule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51575518113524584422012-04-01T21:04:41.355+01:002012-04-01T21:04:41.355+01:00RP having examined a number of pictures that were ...RP having examined a number of pictures that were definitely pre 1930 as this was when the pier was demolished, looking at the shore going from the pavilion, you have a concrete stepped area where lifeguard station is now, I would guess this area is fairly solid, you then have the, 30 degree sloped part which I think dates from 1860, and is mostly still there with the council holding no plans of any serious modification, then at around the Augusta stairs area you then have the 65 degree to the beach to near vertical part. This is a totally different construction i.e. a wall of stone blocks inclined to a lesser or greater degree between 65 degrees and almost straight up this extends around the bend where Neros was to the cliff. The swimming pool not having been built then. The 30 degree part however is much more of a sloping pavement than a wall.<br /><br />Looking at pre WW1 pictures, evidenced by bathing machines, after the trenches this sort of prudery seemed laughable, the 30 degree sloping paving extends much further and I guess was replaced between 1918 and 1930 with the much stronger wall. I would expect that this had a concrete foundation.<br /><br />With the recently relaid area only the top part of this was relaid, not the continuation of the slope beneath the sand to the chalk bedrock, this issue isn’t one of dispute between me and the council’s engineer, as he also agrees that this part dates from 1860.<br /><br />I have to admit to being much more of an engineer than historian and this is really a question for a Ramsgate historian, I only developed an interest in our local history in 2005. I am however very slightly acquainted with our local history having edited and published 140 books on the subject since then. Fortunately I have a small collection of about 5,000 historic pictures of Ramsgate, which does make this sort of thing easier. <br /><br />I took the Pavilion photographs in November 2010 so I am afraid I misinformed you when I said it was last year, I was particularly interested in the construction, as I am sure you know it was originally built as a Concert Hall and Assembly Rooms in 1903. Designed by Stanley Davenport. Adshead and built by F.G. Minter of Putney.<br /><br />I have never come across any other source of pictures of the foundations so I can’t help you much there.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.com