tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post4772382125029200308..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Manston Airport Air Pollution, an admission of failureMichael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-16751070518552220092015-07-02T17:56:55.811+01:002015-07-02T17:56:55.811+01:00Speaking as a local taxpayer, I would REALLY like ...Speaking as a local taxpayer, I would REALLY like to know what is in the documents that Ian Driver has obtained. They've been to court to prevent him from revealing the contents and he's been threatened with imprisonment if he does reveal them. Now they are piling further threats on top. To me. it sounds as if they are utterly desperate and will stop at nothing to prevent him from spilling the beans. Now, call me cynical, but I don't think they'd be doing all of this if there weren't something juicy in those documents. Again, call me cynical, but I hope those incriminated in any documents aren't using their office to prevent exposure.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06415123501568769405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-31526725473427015242014-05-01T12:46:07.359+01:002014-05-01T12:46:07.359+01:00Let us calm this all down a bit. Harvey is the co...Let us calm this all down a bit. Harvey is the council's legal officer and he has warned Cllr Driver about breaching the rules over the publication of confidential matters. To say he has threatened to seize said councillors home is a bit OTT. TDC could take legal action which may produce a financial penalty but they cannot simply go around grabbing people's homes. It is up to the individual how he would pay any such fine imposed and, I would imagine, like most of us, selling one's home would be the last fall back position. Savings, loans, re-mortgaging would all surely take precedence over such drastic action. <br /><br />I would stress that this is not an opinion on the justification or otherwise of the Legal Officer's action, but simply to point out that the council cannot just grab a councillor's home as implied by Solo Gays and Anon at 10:03. Even a council tenant in long rent arrears has a right to a court hearing before eviction proceedings.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-32859144645708476572014-05-01T12:16:33.252+01:002014-05-01T12:16:33.252+01:00Fact or not, Anon, no one seems terribly intereste...Fact or not, Anon, no one seems terribly interested other than you. Likewise with your claims about Thor for, again, nobody else has raised this issue with the Broadstairs council. It is all very historic and there are far more pressing current problems. As for the rubbish about party political purposes, pray tell me what they could possibly be. Administrations at TDC have changed over the years yet, regardless of who has been in office, you have continued to proclaim these issues on line. Contact your District Councillor or seek a FOI response from TDC officers if you really want answers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-25237427006780768872014-05-01T10:13:09.640+01:002014-05-01T10:13:09.640+01:00Ok I will do a post later about the problems at th...Ok I will do a post later about the problems at the top of TDC, there is an irony in the council’s legal officer, presumably acting on behalf of the council, threatening an elected member with the loss of his house if he fails to do something that is impossible, i.e. remove something published on the internet. <br /><br />I have sent the TDC big wigs an open letter, basically asking them what the hell they think they are playing at. Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-82308617942397152202014-04-30T22:03:54.315+01:002014-04-30T22:03:54.315+01:00Cllr Driver was threatened with legal action...by ...Cllr Driver was threatened with legal action...by Harvey. In fact threatening (without basis) to seize his home. Hardly what we want TDC civil servants to do to our elected councillors. Harvey has overstepped the mark and should be sacked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-21029856469796510272014-04-30T21:58:40.191+01:002014-04-30T21:58:40.191+01:00Oh I see now 9.35, I typed Burton instead of Bruto...Oh I see now 9.35, I typed Burton instead of Bruton. I will re-send, thanks.<br /><br />Barry, I was not aware anyone at a senior level had a reputation left to ruin?Solo Gayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11633808604885716801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51221967998843639102014-04-30T21:47:57.557+01:002014-04-30T21:47:57.557+01:00I see a new blog stating he has taken it down beca...I see a new blog stating he has taken it down because he has been threatened with legal action.God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-41412185635463208642014-04-30T21:35:27.228+01:002014-04-30T21:35:27.228+01:00Google: it's Theresa - theresa.bruton@kent.gov...Google: it's Theresa - theresa.bruton@kent.gov.ukAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-30540693652101071452014-04-30T21:18:56.479+01:002014-04-30T21:18:56.479+01:00Just tried both spellings 8.46 but both failed to ...Just tried both spellings 8.46 but both failed to deliver. I am sure KCC must have a counterpart agreement? Unless someone at KCC has taken it home in their handbag as well?Solo Gayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11633808604885716801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-31838581416769943402014-04-30T20:46:10.774+01:002014-04-30T20:46:10.774+01:00Theresa Bruton at KCC (Teresa?) is part of EKO: sh...Theresa Bruton at KCC (Teresa?) is part of EKO: should she be contacted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-32592260037574850692014-04-30T20:45:08.198+01:002014-04-30T20:45:08.198+01:00The Birchington roundabout was declared a pollutio...The Birchington roundabout was declared a pollution danger zone some years ago. Presumably an airport would be as polluting or more?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-22509638113431489492014-04-30T20:42:43.670+01:002014-04-30T20:42:43.670+01:00The removal of the monitors is a fact William no m...The removal of the monitors is a fact William no matter how hard you try to ignore or decry it presumably for party political purposes. Next you'll be telling us Thor mercury is below Broadstairs. Anything to avoid doing anything even if it means polluting your neighbours eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-25028579582121598872014-04-30T20:18:51.138+01:002014-04-30T20:18:51.138+01:00Things is 7:59 that you have mentioned the removal...Things is 7:59 that you have mentioned the removal of monitors so often that everyone else is bored with it. Did you never read the story of the shepherd boy who cried "Wolf." Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-63765287603594126372014-04-30T19:59:40.871+01:002014-04-30T19:59:40.871+01:00I was shocked to read that the EKO LLP Partnership...I was shocked to read that the EKO LLP Partnership Agreement is not lodged in the TDC Vault, but has been taken to Chief Executive Dr Sue Mcgonigals's house for safe keeping?<br /><br />In tandem with Harvey Patterson, I would like to know more about those involved with the partnership?Solo Gayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11633808604885716801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-64173304659870206072014-04-30T19:59:21.509+01:002014-04-30T19:59:21.509+01:00A largely incoherent ramble on air pollution at ma...A largely incoherent ramble on air pollution at manston. Picking up a few points it certainly is not so that noise pollution was the only/main pollution problem at Manston. Read any of the Environment Agency reports on the water supply or air pollution. Nor that air pollution in the UK is improving to any great extent - rather the problems are severe and in London various breaches of EU law.<br /><br />The genral point of gneral wind seems to have been dropped as essentially idioticas the wind blows in differnet directions and carries air pollution with it. While 747's discharging pollution at takeoff and landing at rooftop height would be extremely polluting and dangerous.<br /><br />But no mention yet of Infratil and TDc removing the air monitoring? At the very least the fines would be adrift and the monthly KIACC meetings farcical?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-74163302344435093952014-04-30T19:17:36.901+01:002014-04-30T19:17:36.901+01:00Michael, I think it would be difficult for any mai...Michael, I think it would be difficult for any main party district councillor to comment on this issue at this stage. A Labour councillor so doing could well fall foul of his leadership in the process and comments by a Conservative would be dismissed in most quarters as political point scoring. Cllr Driver can, and has commented, being answerable to known one but himself and that is about the best we are likely to get for now. As a town councillor I know insufficient to make a worthwhile contribution, most of what I have heard being hearsay, and I would suggest you are in the same position.<br /><br />Ultimately the truth will out as it invariably does, but, for now, it is an allegation unsubstantiated by anyone else. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-57863721428707613662014-04-30T18:08:38.929+01:002014-04-30T18:08:38.929+01:00Barry I am hoping one of our blogging councillors ...Barry I am hoping one of our blogging councillors from either of the main parties will do a post about the situation at the council, particularly the issues relating to senior officers. My feelings are that as our elected representatives they owe us an explanation of what is going on among officers who are being paid out of council tax well over £1,000 per week.<br /><br />If needs must then I guess I will do one, but as I am not a member of the council I am not in the best position to this.<br />Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-35375919216252283112014-04-30T16:52:53.552+01:002014-04-30T16:52:53.552+01:00Joe it is always difficult replying to anonymous b...Joe it is always difficult replying to anonymous bloggers who appear to be trying to justify their own opinions, in your case I would say that my replies are inclined to look like scaremongering, because the impartially derived government figures that you asked me for do look scary if you don’t understand them.<br /><br />You seem to assume that I just post any old thing up without properly researching the issue, obviously if I did people wouldn’t bother to read what I write, obviously with the internet anyone yourself included can just google what they don’t follow and the information can be found.<br /><br />So I should reiterate that in the UK we are in an improving situation with air quality, however I have added a background particulate pollution map for the UK and you can see very clearly the general situation is related to the landmass and wind direction. <br /><br />I would also add that once you get around 3 to 5 miles from the pollution source then dissipation removes the problem, an issue here in Thanet is you can’t easily get that far from Manston. Obviously in the case of something burning much less fuel then the dissipation distance is much shorter. I guess your next question will relate to justification of air pollution and dissipation around air cargo hubs, you could always google it yourself. <br /><br />I guess a considerable aspect of the pollution related to London would be the economic benefits associated with greater levels of pollution. Obviously were the airport to generate considerable economic benefits locally, then there is a trade-off to be had in terms of life expectancy, something along the lines of if you are better of economically you tend to live longer, which would compensate for the reduction in life expectancy due to increased levels of air pollution. <br /><br />On the other hand there could be a situation where we got the sound and air pollution from some better off areas, without getting commensurate economic benefits. <br />Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-27342748804903530652014-04-30T16:51:48.057+01:002014-04-30T16:51:48.057+01:00Well it seems that not all is happy in TDC land if...Well it seems that not all is happy in TDC land if the letter written by Harvey, published today on Ian Driver's blog<br /><br />and I quote " It is therefore with considerable disappointment and significant concern that I have to inform you of the fact that from the moment that I briefed the Leader of the Council and the Chairman of the General Purposes Committee of Cllr. Driver's complaints, I have encounters successive attempts to remove me from my critical oversight role including an unlawful attempt to remove me from the statutory office to which I was appointed by full Council. That this should be attempted at all should be of concern you. That it should involve (to different degrees) the Leader of the Council, the Chair of the General Purposes Committee, the Chief Executive (SM) and the Head of East Kent Human Resources,"<br /><br />There is a lot more and should form part of compulsory bedtime reading.<br /><br />Apologies Michael for posting off topic but I thought it quite importantGod help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-89901371223454055862014-04-30T15:00:26.366+01:002014-04-30T15:00:26.366+01:00I'm sorry Michael, I don't think you under...I'm sorry Michael, I don't think you understand the term 'mean average background concentration'. It is largely derived from industry and vehicles. So the high levels in London are because there are lots of vehicles in a fairly small area, and the well-known topography of London means that the pollution does not dissipate. <br /><br />This has nothing to do with the wind direction and nothing to do with particulates in Thanet - which are derived from pollutants produced in Thanet. If we have high levels measured at street level it is because we have quite a lot of traffic and a topography which means that the air does not dissipate. Nothing at all to do with the wind blowing pollutants towards us from London.<br /><br />I will agree with you that aircraft must have an effect, but clearly we have less to worry about than parts of London - that have planes taking off every 3 mins and a considerably larger amount of congested traffic causing the pollutants.<br /><br />Unless we are suddenly going to have more aircraft traffic than the Heathrow corridor and multiple times the traffic, I can't see that you're doing anything other than scaremongering.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697826755404106727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-18332876748500956442014-04-30T14:05:41.235+01:002014-04-30T14:05:41.235+01:00William when I was ten days old the hospital put m...William when I was ten days old the hospital put me in a contaminated cot with broken and sharp wire mesh, I contracted osteomyelitis and spent most of my childhood in various hospitals and convalescent homes in various states of disablement while the passed the buck. I came to the conclusion some years ago that if you went to the doctor with a nasty cough and said you were a non smoker you got antibiotics and generally the your chest infection got better in about ten days, if however you admitted to the odd cigarette or cigar, you didn’t get any antibiotics. I often wonder how this attitude affects the smoking related mortality figures. Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-55126756007392823592014-04-30T13:38:28.880+01:002014-04-30T13:38:28.880+01:00Whatever, Michael, its always our fault and down t...Whatever, Michael, its always our fault and down to some dodgy habit in bygone days. Once was told at a lipid clinic that I was obviously a heavy drinker. When I pointed out I had the odd beer after cricket and the occasional glass of wine when out to dinner, there was general agreement amongst them that I must have been a heavy drinker in my youth. Denial was useless as I had probably forgotten. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-22356326107917847112014-04-30T13:24:37.223+01:002014-04-30T13:24:37.223+01:00Ah William, on the bright side you will be pleased...Ah William, on the bright side you will be pleased to know that this type of lung damage starts to reduce as soon as you stop being exposed to particulate pollution that is over the recommended safety level. On the not so bright side I once had a bit of a run in with some quacks who had provided a relation, who was falling of the proverbial perch, with a faulty oxygen mask. When I made a fuss they asked if he had ever smoked and on me answering about forty years ago, they said that was probably caused the problem. <br /><br />Glad to know it isn’t complicated by the way. <br />Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-81351190042248463802014-04-30T13:09:23.622+01:002014-04-30T13:09:23.622+01:00It really isn't complicated, Michael, but not ...It really isn't complicated, Michael, but not too worry as it is all speculation about Manston's future at present. Like I said, a very long time on busy airfields will have ensured I already have my quota of avtag and, yes, I did smoke until 16 years ago, though I did not start until five years after leaving school.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-32303454534724062892014-04-30T11:55:54.127+01:002014-04-30T11:55:54.127+01:00Well William it was you that said in a comment on ...Well William it was you that said in a comment on Monday’s post that a lot of the planes on takeoff head off towards Herne Bay so I did rely on this information to assume they were climbing loaded under full power to the south of you travelling in a westerly direction. I guess if what you said was different to what you meant and they are turning to the east of you, then you don’t have anything to worry about on the life expectancy front, unless of course you were a naughty boy with the odd fag behind the bicycle shed. <br /><br />As I have said, basically I don't know, I have an enquiring mind and technical background, which often causes trouble, and I have done my best here with the information that is available. Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.com