tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post4885751558840816763..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Pleasurama Cllr Driver The Government and Filming Council Meetings. Michael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51896215133798005932013-11-04T20:23:21.566+00:002013-11-04T20:23:21.566+00:00Peter, actually it was quite an interesting debate...Peter, actually it was quite an interesting debate, even if some people are pedantically repetitive, until the Tim bit right at the end here, but can you be sure it is not somebody talking to himself. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-6662564150179854862013-11-04T18:25:17.277+00:002013-11-04T18:25:17.277+00:00"OK the site was an eyesore and blighted the ..."OK the site was an eyesore and blighted the High Street but surely planning laws must be obeyed and properly and promptly enforced"<br /><br />From Drivers blog.<br /><br />So, that's clear then, Driver will now be deciding which rules are to be followed, and be enforced, and which should be ignored, glad we got that cleared up!John Hamilton - talking sense and cutting through bullshithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04286883736579945122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-8793352478284280312013-11-04T18:24:10.087+00:002013-11-04T18:24:10.087+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Hamilton - talking sense and cutting through bullshithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04286883736579945122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-2412948140521784122013-11-04T17:11:59.523+00:002013-11-04T17:11:59.523+00:00I was going to read through all of today's com...I was going to read through all of today's comments, but I've noticed it's descended into the usual "Hello Tim" nonsense so I think I'll read a book instead! Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-21779056481575895232013-11-04T16:47:53.605+00:002013-11-04T16:47:53.605+00:00Tim,
I was wondering why it you were taking so lo...Tim,<br /><br />I was wondering why it you were taking so long to comment, I feared something had happened to you. When you have finished dealing with other peoples pensions and salaries perhaps someone should have a look at your Charity: the donations you receive, expenditure, bank act, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-78651941767443375922013-11-04T15:42:51.814+00:002013-11-04T15:42:51.814+00:00Thank you for the usual shite, Tim. Haven't y...Thank you for the usual shite, Tim. Haven't you got another record you could play.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-18067116527192134272013-11-04T15:34:00.924+00:002013-11-04T15:34:00.924+00:00The council's rules are simply made up for the...The council's rules are simply made up for the benefit of the senior civil servants and coiuncillors. No credible council would deny filming of meetings by the public. Parliament and now the Court of Appeal allow it. Just attempts at secrecy as they are simply so incompetent. Full FOI of salaries, pensions, cars, expenses etc is also required published monthly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-90579768297410121552013-11-04T15:33:31.080+00:002013-11-04T15:33:31.080+00:00You mean, James, that your point is filming. Seem...You mean, James, that your point is filming. Seems to me that several other people regard the point as being a councillors conduct. Lost at your comment about ringing him, what has that to do with a debate on a blog where we can all join in or do you expect us to hack your phone? Surely the heading of Michael's post includes Driver as part of the subject matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51480828279918202162013-11-04T15:20:58.252+00:002013-11-04T15:20:58.252+00:00Allan my take is filming should be streamed live f...Allan my take is filming should be streamed live for all TDC meetings both Full Council, Committee and Cabinet. When I think he does something I ring him not type messages into blogs.<br />The point is the filming not complaining about a cllrs conduct.<br /><br />There are a few people on here that take every opportunity to attack him which obscures the debate.God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-17355584489913429992013-11-04T15:16:55.193+00:002013-11-04T15:16:55.193+00:00See on his own blog the hypocritical Driver is mai...See on his own blog the hypocritical Driver is maintaining that rules should be obeyed. Are we to assume he means by everybody other than himself. He does come over as the epitome of negativity and it would be interesting to know if there has ever been anything he supported or did not complain about. Imagine having a whole council of Drivers all shouting at each other and protesting over everything or the unseemly scrum whenever there was a reporter or cameraman to attract the attention of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-27638092844120719812013-11-04T15:12:31.061+00:002013-11-04T15:12:31.061+00:00Barry, why do you think I should answer your new q...Barry, why do you think I should answer your new question when you have chosen to ignore mine. I repeat what has it to do with me what William thinks about meeting up with Driver?<br /><br />Where did I say you condemn or condone anybody's behaviour although, in the case of Driver, you seem to be consistently defending his breach of his own council rules on filming?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041201461203693387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-83814759503267944872013-11-04T15:04:47.193+00:002013-11-04T15:04:47.193+00:00Allan where did I condemn or condone his behaviour...Allan where did I condemn or condone his behaviour?God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-47728655053298587222013-11-04T15:00:46.137+00:002013-11-04T15:00:46.137+00:00Barry James @ 12:19
In response to your earlier c...Barry James @ 12:19<br /><br />In response to your earlier comment, having just returned home and seen it, I would like to ask you what the attitude of William Epps to meeting up with Ian Driver has to do with me and why you should decide that a statement of mine has no merit. I regard that as a bit high handed on your part. I told you why I would not want to have coffee with him and might add that I tend to confine my coffee meet ups to the company of people I respect and like.<br /><br />The SWP has hardly got a reputation for support of the realm or respect for law and order so I think it not unreasonable to assume that people belonging to it are aware of that. It is my understanding that Driver went on from SWP to Militant then Scargill's party before finally joining Labour. He seems to have something of a history of being a left wing firebrand and party hopping, the latter he has continued locally with four parties or groups in a little over two years. Certainly not my scene, but if that is your idea of a responsible politician, that's your choice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041201461203693387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-67624723328378294772013-11-04T14:28:42.930+00:002013-11-04T14:28:42.930+00:00Mr Turner, I fully understand the principle of op...Mr Turner, I fully understand the principle of open government and scrutiny and, as I have told both you and Barry before, I support it. However, at the moment and until the new rules become law, TDC are entitled to bar filming and that is not unconstitutional. I suggest we leave this now as we are getting nowhere fast. I support transparency, but not members of the council breaking their own rules. Barry, you have simple repeated old hat about a meeting you attended and which we have debated at length before. You may have time to keep going over old ground, but I am currently trying to get some answers for people in my ward about the new bin collections.<br /><br />One final point, though, I resent the repeated implication that I do not understand. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-9396284924135040882013-11-04T14:06:21.543+00:002013-11-04T14:06:21.543+00:00So to be absolutely clear, if TDC made a constitut...So to be absolutely clear, if TDC made a constitutional rule that is clearly ridiculous - such as that women should not speak in council meetings - that, for you, would be enough to prevent women from speaking? Do you not understand the principle of open government and scrutiny? Why is upholding the unlawful counci consitutuional rules more important to you than proper public scrutiny of issues in the public domain of interest to the public and using public funds? That seems like a bizarre position to take.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697826755404106727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-39026299289501212922013-11-04T13:59:33.561+00:002013-11-04T13:59:33.561+00:00Councillor William Epps I was in the Council meeti...Councillor William Epps I was in the Council meeting where there was No discussion about filming. Cllr Simon Moores tweeted he was going to have a say concerning the matter but wasn't able to. <br />This council stated that no one would be able to film unless they had press accreditation and the permission of the Chair. <br />When a council say they want to be open and transparent why do they seek to put obstacles in the way of open and transparency and this despite the current Government of the day saying the exact opposite.God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-5955495524547288172013-11-04T13:53:57.588+00:002013-11-04T13:53:57.588+00:00They may be open to criticism, but they are not un...They may be open to criticism, but they are not unenforceable as some have found out to their cost on being evicted. We are not here talking about a general principle, but whether a councillor can be selective about which rules he accepts and which he breaks. If you cannot see that there is no point in further discussion and we must beg to differ.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-45829987078430755392013-11-04T13:38:58.946+00:002013-11-04T13:38:58.946+00:00The difference is that this isn't just any org...The difference is that this isn't just any organisation, it is a public body spending public money - hence the situation is exactly the opposite of what you suggest. If the council rules prevent public scrutiny they are unenforcable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697826755404106727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-92222201953393157882013-11-04T12:41:32.027+00:002013-11-04T12:41:32.027+00:00Barry, we are splitting hairs again here. Yes, I ...Barry, we are splitting hairs again here. Yes, I think we are both agreed meetings should be filmed so that those interested, like Michael, can view them, but, because TDC rules currently do not allow for that does not give any councillor the right to break them. You cannot have councillors, like people in any organisation, picking and choosing which rules they will comply with.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-29310910988944636552013-11-04T12:36:00.996+00:002013-11-04T12:36:00.996+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-81497948995365430022013-11-04T12:30:41.283+00:002013-11-04T12:30:41.283+00:00William that is your central point and you make it...William that is your central point and you make it all the time.<br /><br />Mine is why wasn't the committee meeting on the 31st filmed so that people like Michael could view the proceedings?God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-82019387671092085732013-11-04T12:19:25.520+00:002013-11-04T12:19:25.520+00:00William has always said it is up to Driver to meet...William has always said it is up to Driver to meet not the other way around so the suggestion has little merit. And Allan are you saying Ian gave money to PIRA or is he just guilty by association with SWP. I suspect over the years many Socialist Worker Party members have wondered why their committee made such a donation and I suspect they disapproved of it as well. Committee decisions made without a mandate from their members doesn't make a member guilty of anything. And Allan you said once was a member do you know why he left?God help ushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726756701964575422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-62486082377111089702013-11-04T11:42:26.742+00:002013-11-04T11:42:26.742+00:00Both John and William made valid points in their c...Both John and William made valid points in their comments above and I agree with the one about a councillor breaking the rules. If it is OK to secretly film against the rules, would it be equally in order to refuse to sign the declaration of interests say? Maybe it would be alright in your book, Barry and Joe, to disclose confidential information given to a councillor by a ward resident because said councillor thought it was in the public interest to do so, or it might get him a bit of media time. The word anarchy is the right one.<br /><br />Before you come up with one of your meet Ian for a coffee suggestions, Barry, let me make you aware of something. He was once a member of the SWP and the SWP made donations to the PIRA. I served with the army in North Ireland where soldiers faced weapons and munitions that left wing organisations in UK helped fund. For me then that would be like sitting down with the enemy. Not my scene. No doubt you will claim you know nothing about that so check it out with Rick. He knows chapter and verse because his loyalties are very firmly in the right place.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14041201461203693387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-27651335480893243062013-11-04T11:18:47.159+00:002013-11-04T11:18:47.159+00:00Yet I have heard nowhere from anyone that an inabi...Yet I have heard nowhere from anyone that an inability to video a council meeting is an infringement of anyone's human rights. I wonder how the downtrodden LGBT and female communities in muslim countries, feel about you likening the peril to their lives that human rights abuses in those countries bring, should be compared to a a 10th rate "journalist" not being allowed to make a 5th piece of propaganda from a council meeting in deepest darkest Kent..<br /><br />I wonder why you seek to limit "debate" to subjects, and views of those subjects that you approve of, didn't you intimate that filming of council business is a national issue, not a local one?..<br /><br />Not sure why you'd think I care about your opinion of me, but FYI, I don't :)<br /><br />Think you need to get a grip boy.<br />John Hamilton - talking sense and cutting through bullshithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04286883736579945122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-91395783685596241392013-11-04T11:14:52.437+00:002013-11-04T11:14:52.437+00:00Yes, Barry, I would contend that a councillor brea...Yes, Barry, I would contend that a councillor breaking the rules which he has signed up to is a bad thing. On the holding to account, there are many ways this can be done, but when you say it is ridiculous to have to wait five years it is not unreasonable to assume you mean at the ballot box. <br /><br />Turner, having gone on at length about Human Rights you now seem to be attacking my one of freedom of speech. Since when did you have the right to tell me to shut up and, if anyone is talking a load of horse manure around here, one does not have to look further than you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17927801279761727020noreply@blogger.com