tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post7047837450436862037..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Thanet District Council, no confidence in the leader and Ramsgate Maritime Museum; tomorrows meeting.Michael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-43818396150526041682011-12-08T20:48:01.968+00:002011-12-08T20:48:01.968+00:00Hopefully Clive Hart will be more skilled in keepi...Hopefully Clive Hart will be more skilled in keeping his support than the outgoing Bob was. We dont want a change every 6 months when nothing gets done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-2874606863990595952011-12-08T20:32:31.475+00:002011-12-08T20:32:31.475+00:00Hart in 28 to 26Hart in 28 to 26Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-16744528350436030932011-12-08T20:25:34.724+00:002011-12-08T20:25:34.724+00:00bayford out 26 to 28bayford out 26 to 28Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-80976145656055175072011-12-08T20:17:12.131+00:002011-12-08T20:17:12.131+00:00DrM (Simon) Can you honestly say, hand on "Ha...DrM (Simon) Can you honestly say, hand on "Hart":-),that no TDC officer is involved in obtaining the multi-million pound grants regularly being received by Margate, because no such official and sustained support exists for Ramsgate projects, although we all pay the same council tax to the same "District" CouncilReadithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04343086161535755495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-28470664172660689492011-12-08T19:28:44.965+00:002011-12-08T19:28:44.965+00:00It's not just Ramsgate that feels Margate rece...It's not just Ramsgate that feels Margate receives favouritism of course (ask John Worrow & the people of Birchington!).Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-31924104623826158262011-12-08T18:01:09.885+00:002011-12-08T18:01:09.885+00:00Sorry about the delay in responding to comments, I...Sorry about the delay in responding to comments, I’ve been busy elsewhere.<br /><br />Tony I would have thought the way for Margate Museum to go, especially with the localism bill, is to form a museum trust, takeover the building and actively seek some grant funding to turn the museum into an interactive tourist attraction. <br /><br />I would look no further than the award winning gateway in Margate library to see the sort of thing the council can achieve. But yes security of tenure is very important for a museum and council owned and run precludes a lot of funding.<br /><br />Readit, this is something that could have done at any time over the last few years of council prevarication, I would see the fact they haven’t as a good sign.<br /><br />23.50 I think you have got the wrong ends of some sticks here, I don’t think the council is delaying the port master plan because of the museum and I think it was the judge and not TDC who wielded the big stick.<br /><br />8.04 although the last time I was in The Clock House my foot nearly went through a soft spot in the floor, I don’t think the overall condition of the building is that bad. The tricky bit being its vulnerability to tidal surges and storms. The back does need some sort of removable winter flood protection.<br /><br />James thanks for the clarification, in a secret ballot, historically there could have been longer term advantages to voting for the opposition candidate here in Thanet.<br /><br />Tony at 13.02 assuming the maritime museum lose the building and therefore the collection and vessels, what would they display in the tunnel?<br /><br />I am assuming that a great part of the PST involvement in Ramsgate would be a series of events throughout the summer, something that Ramsgate desperately needs.<br /><br />DrM the competitiveness between Margate and Ramsgate extends back as far as history is recorded, although the only incidence of racial apartheid I have a written record of was when the Americans were stationed at Manston and the colored servicemen were forced to use Ramsgate for their leisure activates, with Margate being reserved for the white airmen, due to the aircraft noise over Ramsgate.<br /><br />There was a short period when TDC first started and was mostly based in Ramsgate when Margate residents complained about being governed from their main rival town. <br /><br />My recommendation here is for you and the other cabinet members to come and hold regular surgeries here in Ramsgate and address our very real problems, you could hold them in any of the TDC disused building in Ramsgate, Albion House for example.<br /><br />The problem is I think as much one of perception as one of reality and while I am sure our town council is grateful for your support, TDC with their property management, harbour management and so on have a considerable impact on the town.<br /><br />Recently there have been some instances where TDC actions in Ramsgate have been interpreted a sheer spite, the business over the historic vessels pontoon being an example that comes to mind. <br /><br />Or perhaps take the two towns main leisure sites, Dreamland and Pleasurama, on the one hand TDC is compulsorily purchasing one to return it to the a leisure site, something of great benefit to the town. On the other hand you Conservative councillors voted to support the ongoing Pleasurama development, causing further years of disruption to the towns economy, this was against the advice of council officers including that of our new chief executive. <br /><br />We are nearing the end of two years of the health and safety licence for 200 people working on this site, during which 4 people have been working on the site, do you envisage a further 98 years of disruption. <br /><br />Or compare say the winter gardens with westcliff hall.<br /><br />DB, JH, Anon it is very helpful if people use a pseudonym, if only for the duration of the thread.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-84327017370292349792011-12-08T17:28:51.417+00:002011-12-08T17:28:51.417+00:00Dog's Breakfast,
I take your point. If someon...Dog's Breakfast,<br /><br />I take your point. If someone sets out to deliberately confuse then there is little that one can do to stop them. I just hoped that most people would not want to do this. <br /><br />We are fortunate in that we rarely get a troll on this blog. <br /><br />Dammit, so it was you outside my phone box. Now I shall have to be someone else. Tonight Mathew I shall be.......John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-10160512684995691832011-12-08T15:52:45.625+00:002011-12-08T15:52:45.625+00:00John Holyer, hear what you say and I do agree that...John Holyer, hear what you say and I do agree that the thread of an argument is at times difficult to follow. Nonetheless, is a pen name (or should that be keyboard name) really the answer. After all, last time I was A. Psuedonym, but this time chose a more descriptive handle.<br /><br />Short of the blog site owner investing in the equipment to be able to roll back the URL of the source, potential as criminal as phone hacking, there seems to be no solution but to live with our 'anon' contributors.<br /><br />PS Thought I saw you spinning at light speed in a phone box the other day.Dog's Breakfastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-36717697233276688642011-12-08T13:53:50.847+00:002011-12-08T13:53:50.847+00:00DrM, your 13:26: Are you suggesting then that we s...DrM, your 13:26: Are you suggesting then that we should not believe that which we read? In which case I should be grateful for your advice and guidance on what we should or should not read and believe.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-33088278016644023962011-12-08T13:46:48.929+00:002011-12-08T13:46:48.929+00:00After all I too hide behind a nom de blog. My real...After all I too hide behind a nom de blog. My real name is Clark Kent. Please don't tell anyone else.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-56491198752684983462011-12-08T13:44:03.205+00:002011-12-08T13:44:03.205+00:00To a pseudonym at 12:23,
I understand why some ma...To a pseudonym at 12:23,<br /><br />I understand why some may wish to conceal their identity and there is no harm in this. What I am suggesting is that having so many anonymous [what's the plural] makes the discussion cumbersome and confusing. A nom de blog provides adequate protection. Surely the anonymous have sufficient wit to dream up a tag? This will help the rest of us to follow their argument.<br /><br />I still find it difficult to accept that all the anonymous [what IS the plural] are different people.John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-48913391920309049252011-12-08T13:42:15.891+00:002011-12-08T13:42:15.891+00:00Be honest Simon, there's a far higher percenta...Be honest Simon, there's a far higher percentage of TDC owned property falling into disrepair in Ramsgate than there is in Margate, is there not?Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-88129755974873555552011-12-08T13:26:05.901+00:002011-12-08T13:26:05.901+00:00To be honest i read utter baloney here from time t...To be honest i read utter baloney here from time to time about some kind of sinister apartheid where Ramsgate is a poor relation. The truth is rather different and the fact tvhas a town council means that Ramsgate bats very effectively for itself and has considerable influence on its own direction.<br /><br />Most certainly I don't view or treat Ramsgate any differently and Cabinet certainly does not. However there is a strong political interest group that works very hard to present this artificial image of district apartheid and I'm sorry to say rather too many people believe what they read!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03755236438987278120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-81449702355763639972011-12-08T13:02:39.043+00:002011-12-08T13:02:39.043+00:00Anon 8:04, I believe some things are best left sim...Anon 8:04, I believe some things are best left simple, so why complicate a small Margate museum that runs perfectly well with a gland plan that someone else is expected to finance. This is where the EKMT maritime museum went badly wrong becoming grant dependent (£1.6 million off TDC) and over ambitious. Naturaly, I want the maritime museum open but the sights have to be realistic.Perhaps the maritime museum could display in the Ramsgate tunnels after all these people are really going places and have space that needs filling.A J Ovendenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07145698477921862643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-32996625171895071962011-12-08T12:23:39.347+00:002011-12-08T12:23:39.347+00:00There are very many reasons why people may wish to...There are very many reasons why people may wish to comment anonymously. Employment, offending family, neighbours etc if their views were known or even fear of reprisals in some locations.<br /><br />Personally, I have a totally Labour family yet have right wing views. No point in hurting the old folks who tried to bring me up properly in working class traditions.<br /><br />Having said that, unless personally insulting, are anonymous posters views any less worthy. Furthermore, where would blogs be without them. It seems to be a pet irritation to some though why is beyond me. After all, do we really know who the named contributors are? Would I recognise Peter, John or Ken if I pass them in the street? So what price their handles?A. Psuedonymnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-34245036781757426502011-12-08T12:19:27.634+00:002011-12-08T12:19:27.634+00:00If its a tied vote then Labour Cllr Doug Clark get...If its a tied vote then Labour Cllr Doug Clark gets deciding vote. As for putting the leader back up for re-election in the same meeting, it would seem a strange thing to do. As for an Independent taking over, nope. Labour gets first dibs as main opposition party and Cllr Hart's already put his name down.<br /><br />On a personal note, I'd love there to be recorded votes as a normal thing in the same way they do in Parliament. Under Council Procedure Rule 21.4, there has to be a vote on whether to record the names for, against and abstaining. Councillors should be accountable for their votes.James Maskellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15441611588943798565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-44965113789268696412011-12-08T10:30:30.428+00:002011-12-08T10:30:30.428+00:00To anonymous 20:59
In view of your strong feelin...To anonymous 20:59<br /><br />In view of your strong feelings why do you lack the courage to give us your name?John Holyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02284672912775316883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-63418304351817095402011-12-08T08:55:01.597+00:002011-12-08T08:55:01.597+00:00I can't believe that everyone is missing the o...I can't believe that everyone is missing the obvious solution to this problem...<br /><br />All that needs to happen is to move the Maritime Museum building brick by brick over to the dark side and then Margate District Council will happily pump their money into it...RossMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258361741646962812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-2592411057747525042011-12-08T08:04:14.280+00:002011-12-08T08:04:14.280+00:00Tony's Margate Friends are good as far as they...Tony's Margate Friends are good as far as they go - but the lack of a 'grand plan' is very worrying. Who is rsponsible for the collections and who is their curatorial advisor?<br /><br />What museums need is strong governance and access to professional support even if the obvious functions are carried out by volunteers.<br /><br />The Steam Museum trustees (themselves volunteers!) would almost certainly want to develop volunteering at Ramsgate. There already is a team working on Cervia and other anxiously waiting for the green light to help with Sundowner and the museum. Preston Rally relies on a volunteer team to stage it and it is one of the best and events in the area with a 10 year track record.<br /><br />The Trust owns most of the permanet collections which are 'trapped' in the museum by TDC and they would almost certainly be lost to Thanet if TDC does not deliver the expected lease.<br /><br />The council are asking the trust to take on the onerous task of maintaining and enhancing the Clock House - something which TDC's obvious neglect has made a very costly and long-term project. The least the council could do was grant an adequate lease with sensible terms and conditions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-91391773064190438172011-12-07T23:50:39.942+00:002011-12-07T23:50:39.942+00:00TDC decided in 2006 that they want to stop the fun...TDC decided in 2006 that they want to stop the funding for the maritime museum, and with words and information given in the right places the trustees transferred the museum to the new trust under the threat of a big stick. This is where it gets sticky TDC first approved a deal and then reneged on it, the upshot being that tdc isn't any better off and the function of the museum transferred hands and because of tdc was closed for several years. To delay the port master plan because of the lease of one small building that will generate a very small income (if any) compared to the millions generated by the wind farm and the ferry companyseems slightly ludicrous, but unfortunately typical of tdc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-16249220881631437442011-12-07T23:49:01.130+00:002011-12-07T23:49:01.130+00:00So from Tony's analysis of the situation the S...So from Tony's analysis of the situation the Steam Museum Trust and TDC have to agree on a lease, or all the historic artifacts get shipped out together with Cervia and Sundowner on the first high tide.<br /><br />That would be an extremely sad loss for Ramsgate.Readithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04343086161535755495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-87816837695244910152011-12-07T22:03:22.007+00:002011-12-07T22:03:22.007+00:00Not sure what you mean by "councils prefer to...Not sure what you mean by "councils prefer to work with organisations that are amateur, this always gives the council the upper hand." or who it is aimed at.<br />At the Margate museum it is a perfect partnership with TDC and the volunteer friends of the Margate Museum and the whole project is working well and on track.Everybody at the museum works there is no hot air and everyone just gets on with it. There is no grand plan it is all about providing a museum service to compliment everything else that goes on in the old town.<br />Over at Ramsgate maritime museum it is far more complex like everything else in Ramsgate. For example TDC does not own the assets in the the clock house and if they did I am sure there would be the same scenario as there as in Margate with a volunteer group running the museum and keeping it open.A J Ovendenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07145698477921862643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-52179690216267272702011-12-07T21:17:14.633+00:002011-12-07T21:17:14.633+00:00not clive art perhaps spartacusnot clive art perhaps spartacusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-3311334136802760982011-12-07T21:08:27.563+00:002011-12-07T21:08:27.563+00:00What's your name then?What's your name then?Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-42399201894294178402011-12-07T20:59:45.203+00:002011-12-07T20:59:45.203+00:00OMG! the idea of hart as leader of the Council is ...OMG! the idea of hart as leader of the Council is a nightmare and I am in the Labour groupAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com