tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post750061384205136393..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: When is a blog post not a blog post?Michael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-42923577039396669772014-06-12T16:07:42.006+01:002014-06-12T16:07:42.006+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-75746288381281705652014-06-12T07:12:39.228+01:002014-06-12T07:12:39.228+01:00flexibility that might be required by the airport ...flexibility that might be required by the airport operator. This was additionally reflected in the refusal of the Hart administration to include the airport in anything other than a passing manner in their (in)famous economic regeneration strategy. Politics is often about perception and this perception killed many chances to make this airport work. Michael, it's not about like or dislike, it's getting the real picture out there rather than allowing commentators, like yourself, to create a subjective rather than objective agenda. I note this is almost the only issue where you don't demand solution through the magic touch of the Will Scobie bandwagon. Think this one's too difficult for your idol?Chris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-7096750358052989872014-06-12T07:06:57.474+01:002014-06-12T07:06:57.474+01:00Please read some of the comments apart ie the orig...Please read some of the comments apart ie the original comments on fact and blog sites were a little tongue in cheek. However the night flights point is an interesting one. Whatever the actual position on night flights and the law, the perception of the business community was of a local authority opposed to any neceessaryChris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-7383983155686958562014-06-11T20:51:17.952+01:002014-06-11T20:51:17.952+01:00Chris : In one post you say : "facts are in s...Chris : In one post you say : "facts are in short supply" and then you perpetuate the myth that night flights were banned at Manston ( and I presume by insinuation that this is the fault of "nimby's or such like in Ramsgate ) Please tell me when night flights were banned ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-8069469533567594162014-06-11T20:36:09.902+01:002014-06-11T20:36:09.902+01:00Chris on the rest of it I don’t think I was asking...Chris on the rest of it I don’t think I was asking you if you liked Labour or Clive but more of a sort of, got any ideas guv?Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-48194570518914324202014-06-11T20:32:29.347+01:002014-06-11T20:32:29.347+01:008.01 nail on the head there, all the agreements un...8.01 nail on the head there, all the agreements under which the site ran as an airport are with a company bought by ann Gloag and no, like a planning consent would be attached to the site. Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-13404297895571013942014-06-11T20:29:31.767+01:002014-06-11T20:29:31.767+01:00Chris in replying to you about the airport I am us...Chris in replying to you about the airport I am using what I have just added to today’s post. I don’t think TDC engaging in a cpo is likely to work, my feelings about Sir Roger Gale’s package (RiverOak are after all seven hedge fund mangers with no verifiable connection to aviation and TDC are the district council and don’t represent the catchment of the airport) is, it is just a political ruse to avoid pressure on KCC. I guess SMA could produce a viable petition to KCC requesting a public consultation on KCC engaging in a Manston cpo, I guess the main problem here is that realistically we would be looking at a council subsidised airport and a brownfield development site value in the £700m ballpark. Without planning permission any claim to it being an airport isn’t attached to the site but is an agreement with the company that Ann Gloag bought. <br /><br />What I mean here is that on the day the council bought the airport site they would have a brownfield site with no planning consent as an airport, I don’t think there is any way they could acquire the company that holds the agreements under which Manston functioned as an airport. <br /><br />My guess is that you would be looking at the council doing the work for an EP environmental permit and then applying for planning consent, with the resultant ecological study and public enquiry. What I am saying here is that any council buying the site would then have to fund turning it into an airport with planning consent in order to be able to pass it on to an operator with an agreement that it remained an airport. <br /><br />Another factor here is that for a council to do this, the council would almost inevitably have to raise council tax above the referendum threshold, so the council wouldn’t be able to fund it unless the public agreed by referendum. <br />Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-33350212622047102582014-06-11T20:01:04.676+01:002014-06-11T20:01:04.676+01:00Surely, it is irrelevant whether River Oak has any...Surely, it is irrelevant whether River Oak has any tenuous links to aviation or not? The key point is whether you can force them to keep it open as an airport when it is losing millions. I don't think that the planning system would allow you to do this, especially when TDC has never given the airport planning permission. (You can't make somebody stick to the planning permission if you never gave it one in the first place). If I'm right, River Oak can say whatever they like about their intended use, but it would carry no weight if they decided to close it down (again) and build houses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-65087072016550642172014-06-11T19:58:04.745+01:002014-06-11T19:58:04.745+01:00on newspaper headlines and spin rather than positi...on newspaper headlines and spin rather than positive enhancement of the island as a whole. The Johnston administration promises a different approach, yet it's leader was up to her neck in all the previous Hart decisions, and have just placed Hart in the worst position with regard to potential investigation, because the public will assume he could not be made vice chair of planning in dubious circumstances, but he has been. Many of these things, like the secret reorganisation and all the fallout from it presumably Labour hope will be buried in a honeymoon period for the new leader, of the focus on Manston, suddenly and dishonestly important to Labour once again.Chris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-10823514660935287692014-06-11T19:53:26.949+01:002014-06-11T19:53:26.949+01:00and purely focusedand purely focusedChris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-25747471934231841422014-06-11T19:52:27.042+01:002014-06-11T19:52:27.042+01:00Although it does not seem to be their main busines...Although it does not seem to be their main business. The banning of night flights, the atmosphere created by that decision and fixed consultation will have driven allure aviation investors away to places where they feel more welcome. TDC cannot in my view put forward a sensible plan on its own, they do not have the resources or managerial capacity. Pleasurama policy remains mysterious. And at times almost random in approach to me. I do not believe the pub option for the Pavilion is the finest option for the building but options are limited following the reckless decisions of the Hart administration which has seriously reduced the capacity of TDC to do many of the things we would like. The Hart run TDC was self indulgent; unable to think srategicallyChris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-15934041156216924862014-06-11T19:44:48.366+01:002014-06-11T19:44:48.366+01:00To take your points in order Michael, I am in favo...To take your points in order Michael, I am in favour of a CPO of Manston Airportas the best way th both threaten, and achieve, some continuing control over it's future. From what I can see there are clear links between River Oak and aviationChris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-1520653922135852562014-06-11T19:40:22.193+01:002014-06-11T19:40:22.193+01:00That's slightly unfair, Peter, the Thanet Star...That's slightly unfair, Peter, the Thanet Star has always been totally fictional.Chris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-60080531922794704342014-06-11T17:55:25.636+01:002014-06-11T17:55:25.636+01:00I take them more seriously than you anon, particul...I take them more seriously than you anon, particularly Janice Atkinson. Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-43788029903154823782014-06-11T17:54:26.464+01:002014-06-11T17:54:26.464+01:00He seems like a top bloke to me. He seems like a top bloke to me. Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-38660304912614446002014-06-11T17:52:39.688+01:002014-06-11T17:52:39.688+01:00Absolutely Chris. I see both blogs (as well as Th...Absolutely Chris. I see both blogs (as well as The Thanet Star) as semi-fictional.<br /><br />Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-29656539342175032014-06-11T17:51:17.773+01:002014-06-11T17:51:17.773+01:00Surely Michael even you can see the irony of someo...Surely Michael even you can see the irony of someone complaining about England flags and then referring to "St. Gorge"? Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51405945377939833472014-06-11T16:54:19.567+01:002014-06-11T16:54:19.567+01:00Well Chris you are a councillor and shadow cabinet...Well Chris you are a councillor and shadow cabinet member, so I expect you are in the know. So what do you think about Manston, do you think RiverOak are an aviation company or seven hedge fund real estate managers? Do you think TDC could realistically put together a viable and fundable cpo for Manston, or do think the whole thing a political ruse? Do you think the council are actually trying to deal with the Pleasurama issue or just pulling the wool? Do you think the last council owned venue in Ramsgate, the pavilion should be turned into the largest pub in Europe? Or do you have an interesting local issue that we don’t even know about? Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-9959388809531282302014-06-11T16:15:07.551+01:002014-06-11T16:15:07.551+01:00Er, no Purple Om. Any consistent reader of either ...Er, no Purple Om. Any consistent reader of either this blog or ECR's would know facts are in short supply. Opinions unsupported by facts rather more frequent.Chris Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04022576946890382047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-66915484269567202972014-06-11T15:24:35.027+01:002014-06-11T15:24:35.027+01:00Thanks for mentioning the Nigel Farage interview (...Thanks for mentioning the Nigel Farage interview (http://www.ttgdigital.com/news/fishing-manston-and-car-tyres-ttg-quizzes-nigel-farage-on-his-grand-plans-for-tourism/4691715.article).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-85538654343946867302014-06-11T10:30:05.958+01:002014-06-11T10:30:05.958+01:00Now following him https://twitter.com/da_parsons t...Now following him https://twitter.com/da_parsons thanks 9.43Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-76179564213282654632014-06-11T10:27:32.230+01:002014-06-11T10:27:32.230+01:00Now after the last comment, just to prove I'm ...<br />Now after the last comment, just to prove I'm fair when it comes to Manston, here's Nigel Farage in today's TTG (Travel Trade Gazette) online. Now bear in mind that the 'Two Runways' Ukip candidate, can't remember her name, is a great believer in a Cargo hub-future but anyway, Nigel has now decided that Manston can't be a freight hub but could do holiday flights. Do these people, any of them, expect us to take them seriously??.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-51535664404128851272014-06-11T09:56:53.027+01:002014-06-11T09:56:53.027+01:00Om I guess if Peter is going to hand out free spel...Om I guess if Peter is going to hand out free spelling an grammar lessons here I will be at the front of the queue, when I started out blogging the situation was pretty bad, but practice and spell checkers are slowly improving things. <br /><br />On the Royal Sands front I have covered all of this, on this blog in the past, although my engineering background is in electronics, hydraulics, pneumatics, electro mechanics and not civil engineering.<br /><br />Oatmoor did the surface drain work and not the cliff contract, if I get a chance I will dig the right name out later there have been about half a dozen contractors on site and the name eludes me at the moment. <br /><br />The situation with the foundations is that the site consists of chalk bedrock at about the low tide level this extends back as far as where the cliff face was when the sand build-up started in around 200 AD when the first jetty was built there and the sand started to build up in front of the cliff. There is a sort of irregular step of chalk bedrock at the bottom of the cliff caused by weathering related cliff falls. <br /><br />On top of the bedrock you have the sand, which formed the beach, and on top of that you have the chalk spoil from the tunnel excavation in 1860, bringing the site up to the level for the station.<br /><br />The foundations extend through the chalk spoil and sit on the sand, the whole lot being held in place by the 1860 sea defence. <br />Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-30738376730602381242014-06-11T09:43:20.077+01:002014-06-11T09:43:20.077+01:00Now does anyone know much about this David Parsons...Now does anyone know much about this David Parsons prospective TDC Tory bod?<br /><br />I only ask because he's provided a few comedy moments of late. Clearly he's obliged to pay homage at the altar of 'All-fings Manston'<br />but his twittering seems a bit confused and off-message! Within two days he managed to extol the virtue of clear blue skies and then talked of the 'futility' of glancing upwards into a plane-less Thanet sky. All things to all people! Just what we need around here in a politician. At least he appears able to hold two thoughts in his head at once and he hasn't even got a vote yet. Brilliant and one to watch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-67637441779142805642014-06-10T23:09:47.228+01:002014-06-10T23:09:47.228+01:00maybe they went straight on chalk and only the pil...maybe they went straight on chalk and only the piles foundations were where the sand was.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01312167131325466700noreply@blogger.com