tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post7847443655245136725..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Ramsgate, Rank the council and how the Royal Victoria Pavillion got trashedMichael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-45105728981805102602011-02-15T23:33:21.401+00:002011-02-15T23:33:21.401+00:00Thats regeneration dept in tdc for you youThats regeneration dept in tdc for you youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-77302644762796385882011-02-13T14:17:24.410+00:002011-02-13T14:17:24.410+00:00Have to agree with the above posters about arson, ...Have to agree with the above posters about arson, most probably be burnt down by the end of the year.<br /><br />Nobody was ever arrested after Ramsgate Library was set ablaze. <br /><br />Ramsgate has an arsonist on the loose and I have the dubious honour of seeing him briefly from behind.<br /><br />The hooded Chav started a fire at some lockup garrages near my mothers home. He likes to start a fire and then watch it go up. I was interviewed by the police twice but only managed to see the rear of him. He did a speed walk down Ellington Road.<br /><br />I regret that I never chased after him, the police advised me not to as he probably carried a knife.<br /><br />The fire failed to take hold, as I swiftly dialled 999. <br /><br />Ben Kelly, Osaka, Japan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-58953942839167918292011-02-13T10:42:44.934+00:002011-02-13T10:42:44.934+00:000101 has a point! Remembering Rotunda, Scenic Rail...0101 has a point! Remembering Rotunda, Scenic Railway and Harbour Station maybe TDC had better post a fire warden or two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-19748125385781618802011-02-13T01:01:27.188+00:002011-02-13T01:01:27.188+00:00Pleasuramma equals pyromaniacPleasuramma equals pyromaniacAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-5471168899662571812011-02-13T01:01:26.830+00:002011-02-13T01:01:26.830+00:00Pleasuramma equals pyromaniacPleasuramma equals pyromaniacAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-80506451968252244212011-02-12T23:59:22.804+00:002011-02-12T23:59:22.804+00:00Just for information: the Royal Victoria Pavilion ...Just for information: the Royal Victoria Pavilion consists of the following land titles:<br /><br />1) The freehold reversion, held by TDC as part of their freehold title to Ramsgate Harbour, and various bits of foreshore.<br /><br />2) The 1969 head lease, held by Pleasurama Properties Limited, and which ends 30 April 2044.<br /><br />3) A 1981 sub lease granted by Pleasurama Properties Limited to Pleasurama Casinos Limited, and which ends 29 April 2044.Geraldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-89447362174626098782011-02-12T23:44:07.623+00:002011-02-12T23:44:07.623+00:00I have it on good authority that TDC were offered ...I have it on good authority that TDC were offered the Pav back for FREE and refused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-14753698605119544812011-02-12T21:45:53.540+00:002011-02-12T21:45:53.540+00:00Listing Text:
RAMSGATE HARBOUR PARADE
TR 3864 NE...Listing Text: <br /><br />RAMSGATE HARBOUR PARADE<br />TR 3864 NE<br />(south side)<br />14/151<br />13.9.74 Royal Victoria<br />Pavillion<br />GV II<br />Concert hall and Assembly Rooms, now Casino. 1903 by S.D. Adshead,<br />built by F.G. Minter of Putney. Rendered with glazed and leaded roof,<br />ostensibly in the style of a Robert Adam orangery. Horizontally<br />rusticated ground floor, with polygonal pavillions to left and to right<br />with fluted Doric columned arcading (originally open, now infilled),<br />and projecting entrances to left (originally with a Dome) and to right,<br />now with glazed barrel roof. Continuous cast iron balustrade to 1st<br />floor; recessed central roof, curved with a top cornice, as if a giant<br />conservatory. Rear (seaward) elevation with covered arcade on iron<br />posts. Irregularly placed sashes and casements over whole elevation,<br />with C20 glazed doors to left in double Ionic columned porch, the fascia<br />still topped by large male and female figures which originally supported<br />a dome, but now lean precariously into space. Glazed doors to right<br />hand entry. Interior: altered and modernised. The commission was<br />given by Ramsgate Corporation to Adshead on the strength of his<br />entry for the Ramsgate Library Competition of 1902. The interior was<br />originally based on the Little Theatre at Versailles; the whole was<br />aimed as an exercise in the Adam style. Designed in 1 week, to be built<br />in 6 weeks in time for the 1903 season, Adshead considered he "completed<br />this building with some success" despite delays (Thanet District Council<br />preserve F.G. Minter's claims for non-payment of monies due by Ramsgate<br />Corporation during construction). (See Architectural History, 24, 81,<br />p.103<br /><br /><br /><br />Listing NGR: TR3861364770Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-27443664845885907882011-02-12T21:42:54.354+00:002011-02-12T21:42:54.354+00:00Going through my old papers on this I have come ac...Going through my old papers on this I have come across what purports to be a Kent County Council Press release dated 5th February 2006. This says that they will be writing to all TDC Councillors urging that this matter is placed before the Scrutiny Committee and also to the Audit Commission. It goes on to say that TDC have a duty of care, as landlords, to ensure the building is properly maintained.Richard Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04805669728045234591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-23318616497742096842011-02-12T21:33:01.454+00:002011-02-12T21:33:01.454+00:00The lease was granted by the owners who are now TD...The lease was granted by the owners who are now TDC to Fortes (Holdings) Ltd. Their successors in title are the Rank Group.This is a 75 year lease from 1st May 1969 subject to 25 yearly uplifts. The first 25 years was £10,000 pa, from 1994 £12,500 and on 1st May 2019 it goes to £15,000 pa with no further reviews. Rank tried to sell the lease in February 2008 (at about the same time the dilaps notices were served) for £650,000.Richard Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04805669728045234591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-43161144508759071042011-02-12T20:43:46.976+00:002011-02-12T20:43:46.976+00:00Richard, join the club. Anyone that disagrees with...Richard, join the club. Anyone that disagrees with the TDC oligarchy soon finds themselves png. I'm sure that they only tolerate Michael because he also publishes their press releases.Tim Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360638835659673415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-8334953252447364522011-02-12T20:30:08.357+00:002011-02-12T20:30:08.357+00:00Richard,
It was listed 5 years later in September...Richard,<br /><br />It was listed 5 years later in September 1974. From the wording of the listing it looks like it may have been altered prior to being listed.<br /><br />Is there any information in the lease about whether the lease was sold to Forte, or whether the lease was just granted for the [£10K, £12.5K, £15K] rent?Geraldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-26195003571884687152011-02-12T20:18:52.447+00:002011-02-12T20:18:52.447+00:00This is a Grade II listed building. Listed after R...This is a Grade II listed building. Listed after Rank took on the tenancy. The "protector" of listed buildings ? You guessed it, the District Council. I cannot find anyone you can complain to when they do not enforce the conditions. I would think all that could be done is complain to the Local Government Ombudsman, if the Coalition haven't scrapped it yet. Like they are going to with the Standards Board for England. Administrative fault - looks like the most likely. I cannot do it as I do not live in TDC area. I am persona no grata as far as TDC are concerned as I upset them pursuing another case and they will not talk to me now.Richard Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04805669728045234591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-22925910186039886672011-02-12T19:56:28.541+00:002011-02-12T19:56:28.541+00:00The lease is dated 1st May 1969 and is between The...The lease is dated 1st May 1969 and is between The Mayor Aldermen and Burgessess of the Borough of Ramsgate and Fortes (Holdings) Ltd. The lease is what one would call belt and braces and specifies dates and timescales for redecorations etc and spells out in detail the responsbilities. It is a very enforceable lease. No wriggle room.Richard Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04805669728045234591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-72018164355753485182011-02-12T19:45:04.806+00:002011-02-12T19:45:04.806+00:00I thought I provided Michael with a copy of it. I ...I thought I provided Michael with a copy of it. I can send it again.<br /><br />The schedule of dilapidations that I finally obtained with the help of the ICO after 8 months, has pages of internal works required to be done under the terms of the lease. The TDC letter to me and ICO says works on the dilaps schedule are nearing completion. Another load of lies & BS.Richard Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04805669728045234591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-31608842863492401302011-02-12T18:58:33.791+00:002011-02-12T18:58:33.791+00:00I was just wondering whether Richard would be will...I was just wondering whether Richard would be willing to copy the lease and get the local papers to report on its contents?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-87507509184044378802011-02-12T18:51:10.333+00:002011-02-12T18:51:10.333+00:00Richard,
You mention that you have a copy of the ...Richard,<br /><br />You mention that you have a copy of the lease. (Presumably the original 'head lease' that was granted to Fortes in May 1969.)<br /><br />I was wondering if the lease was granted for a 'premium', and if so for how much ?Geraldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-54514190519610051982011-02-12T18:44:06.487+00:002011-02-12T18:44:06.487+00:00This needs to be brought out into the open. As you...This needs to be brought out into the open. As you say a national (multi-national?) company shouldn't be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. Anyone got any useful national Sunday paper contacts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-52248368931897791652011-02-12T18:09:37.096+00:002011-02-12T18:09:37.096+00:00As usual the statement from TDC is BS. Rank have a...As usual the statement from TDC is BS. Rank have a full repairing lease, I have a copy of it. "To repair and keep the exterior and interior of the demised premises and every part thereof... in good and substantial repair and condition throughout the term". TDC just lie to you and want you to go away, and most people do. It will suffer the same fate as other listed builings under TDC ownership it will either be burnt down or they will give themselves planning permission to demolished it, as it will cost too much to repair.Richard Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04805669728045234591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-45266521091628385252011-02-12T16:51:16.478+00:002011-02-12T16:51:16.478+00:00Whichever way you look at it, something is wrong a...Whichever way you look at it, something is wrong at TDC either with negotiating the terms of the lease or enforcing it. This may have been a problem left over by a previous administration. However, what happens next will reflect the expertise of the current administration who hopefully have learned from past experience.<br /><br />Of course, there is another option of not doing anything. That seems to be the safest and most convenient route adopted by TDC.<br /><br />It reminds me of the car stickers we used to have around town relating to pot holes: "DON'T BLAME THANET COUNCIL, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING".<br /><br />Now there's an idea, do you know anyone who can print car stickers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com