tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post8016318581743680559..comments2024-03-13T10:32:22.656+00:00Comments on thanetonline: Friday Ramble, starting with the Councillors Moores Scobie web hack, going on to Manston Airport and stuff.Michael Childhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-14796798842153358142012-07-03T13:26:52.679+01:002012-07-03T13:26:52.679+01:00Tim you just don’t seem to be getting this, the to...Tim you just don’t seem to be getting this, the top picture isn’t “a jpeg screenshot of a posting by Will on the Mayors Wall.” It’s most probably just what will says it, from his personal blog. Whatever it is just a picture that appears if you are friends of the person who posted it, but as there is nothing to show it’s a screen shot it is total unremarkable and meaningless in any other context than the one it was first published in.<br /><br />The second picture is a screenshot and when first published was a screenshot taken when signed on by the account holder, however it was acquired what is remarkable is that it was published at all.<br /><br />The Mayor Margate account password, now changed, wasn’t very secure and as I said here, using a mobile device and with a bit of screen reflection it wouldn’t be difficult to become signed on by mistake.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-91774730738586744732012-07-03T10:25:13.571+01:002012-07-03T10:25:13.571+01:00Because in Labour circles he is one of the privile...Because in Labour circles he is one of the privileged insiders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-60033562110693322232012-07-02T22:59:22.271+01:002012-07-02T22:59:22.271+01:00You seem obsessed by the idea of the women of Than...You seem obsessed by the idea of the women of Thanet modelling for me, I don't know whether to be flattered or slightly disturbed...Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-48084591907880900752012-07-02T22:37:20.085+01:002012-07-02T22:37:20.085+01:00Thank you for the egg sucking lesson, which didn&#...Thank you for the egg sucking lesson, which didn't solve the problem.<br />I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse. The top picture is a jpeg screenshot of a posting by Will on the Mayors Wall. The second picture is a jpeg screenshot of the "admin" header of the Mayors page. It is not impossible that the screenshots were taken by Mr X and then sent to Simon. All I'm asking is that you admit the possibility.<br />I've had and used a Facebook account since 2007 so I'm pretty sure that there is at least one other person in the world apart from you who has some idea how it works.<br />You haven't explained how you got into the Mayors account to tell me what isn't there.Tim Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360638835659673415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-35162220203042039122012-07-02T21:24:23.162+01:002012-07-02T21:24:23.162+01:00Tim the screenshot doesn’t show the Mayor Margate ...Tim the screenshot doesn’t show the Mayor Margate wall it shows the Mayor Margate signed on wall.<br /><br />For example I am friends with Laura Sandys so every time I put something on FaceBook it appears on her signed on wall, she and I guess the people in her office see it, but no one else.<br /><br />This doesn’t mean that she in any way endorses my views, or that anyone else can see what I have written on her signed on wall.<br /><br />I recommend you get a FaceBook account and learn to use the thing, I was so baffled by it initially that I had to set up three accounts, one to see what my friends could see and one to see what someone signed on to FaceBook but not my friend could see. <br /><br />I have tried the blog on several mobile devices without problems commenting, try rebooting your BlackBerry, this is done by turning it off completely, holding down the on off button until you get a message etc. also you may need to clear your cache on your phone’s browser.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-85532745014506654992012-07-02T20:57:00.418+01:002012-07-02T20:57:00.418+01:00Peter
We agree on Ladyman. He was a little "...Peter<br /><br />We agree on Ladyman. He was a little "can't say the word for fear of causing offence".<br /><br />We'll have to agree to differ on IoTG. I've been through last week's edition and there isn't one piece of true journalism there; nothing that they have unearthed themselves. Every bylined article was effectively a press release. I don't know Rebecca as well as you - was she one of your models?Tim Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360638835659673415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-10729222188153843672012-07-02T20:41:34.104+01:002012-07-02T20:41:34.104+01:00Michael
Let me try this again without the Waterga...Michael<br /><br />Let me try this again without the Watergate metaphor.<br /><br />Mr X works in the Margate Mayors office. He is an old fashioned sort and has always believed that the job is apolitical. he has been happy working with Iris and her predecessors who, although very politically active, have managed to separate their political stance from their role as Margate Mayor. Mr X also has access to the Mayor.Margate Facebook page. Mayor Scobie admits as much "The second screen shot shows you logged into the Mayor Margate facebook page. Only the Mayors office and myself have access to that page". One small error in this statement - the screenshot shows that someone was logged into that page, it doesn't show that this someone was Simon Moores.<br />So Mr X is a bit of a traditionalist. He's not happy that Mayor Scobie is using the Mayor's page to promote a political cause. What should he do? He could tell the press but he knows that isn't going to get him very far. So he takes a screenshot of the offending page and sends it to Cllr Moores as a JPEG. Cllr Moores then publishes said JPEG on his site and then, in a mood of devilment, Photoshops various personal profile pictures to the top of the screenshot. Not very hard to do. No conspiracy then, except poor Mr X. Since Will, possibly somewhat confused at this point, has let out the secret that there appears to be only one staff member in the Mayor's office "There are only two people who have access to that, myself and my office staff", one has to assume that the mysterious Mr X is in fact this "office staff". Or, of course, all the previous Mayors, who presumably also had access.<br /><br />The picture with the Labour Party office in the background is from the Mayor.Margate Wall and was captured and sent to Simon as a JPEG by Mr X.<br /><br />The second picture is also a screenshot taken by Mr X.<br /><br />In both cases Mr X has authorised access to this account so he can't be accused of hacking.<br /><br />You however can be so accused. "What you are considering a mistake is still there only you can’t see it because you haven’t hacked his account". How do you know this to be true unless you have hacked the account?<br /><br />Maybe time to move back to one of your other hobby horses. We haven't had Pleasurama for at least 24 hours.<br /><br />Oh and I can no longer post comments from my BlackBerry, presumably due to changes in settings. Only affects you and Flaigy, all the other sites still work OK.Tim Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360638835659673415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-2217948846681946122012-07-02T11:05:38.543+01:002012-07-02T11:05:38.543+01:00Tim I don’t supposed the similarity between Merega...Tim I don’t supposed the similarity between Meregate and Watergate has escaped many local historians, so your hypothesis is apposite in that respect.<br /><br />I think where you may have gone wide of the mark is in your understanding of FarceBook, where indeed Will hasn’t needed to correct any mistake as he didn’t make one.<br /><br />What you are considering a mistake is still there only you can’t see it because you haven’t hacked his account.<br /><br />As I said in the post it was the publication of the hacked page and its subsequent alteration that interested me and caused me to write the post in the first place.<br /><br />Take a purely hypothetical situation where you hacked one of my internet accounts either by accident or design, I would be surprised if you then decided to publish a screenshot of the hacked account online.<br /><br />Suppose instead you had hacked one of my accounts by accident and not realised that you had actually hacked it and were therefore seeing pages that you were not supposed to be seeing, pages only intended for me, possibly my bank account details or possibly unusual pictures of chickens. <br /><br />Having then given this some thought you then forwarded it on to a well known local internet guru, you would have hexpected well known internet guru to say “look ere Tim old lad, you as been a akking, seen that wot you wasn’t supposed to see.” You could further Hexpect said internet guru to say summit along the lines of. “FarceBook is a funny old fing and if you sets it up wrong both people and apps can post things on your wall that everyone can see.”<br /><br />I guess the problem here is that Will like so many young pipple understands FarceBook only too well, never had it set so that everyone can see any chickens posted by others or by computer programs.<br /><br />On the other hand I am not so sure that Mr Bernstein-Woodward does understand FarceBook nor am I convinced that he recognised that the screenshot he was sent and subsequently published publicly on the internet was a picture of a hacking. <br /><br />What interests me is that the net result of this is that the picture showing Deep Throat with a bag saying swag on his back was then substituted for a picture showing a journalist with the same bag of swag on his back. <br /><br />Sorry about the spelling, I was severely disabled as a child and didn’t attend school until I was accepted at LMTC at thirteen.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-63862324134302781292012-07-02T09:21:48.472+01:002012-07-02T09:21:48.472+01:00Where have I ever said that "I know her well&...Where have I ever said that "I know her well"? I've just met her briefly a few times that's all - enough to know that she has good people skills and seems very nice. Sadly, she's never modelled for me (the Jodie on my blog is a different Jodie). However the offer's always here if she's reading! ; ) <br /><br />I believe that the way politicians, councillors, mayors (etc) act to minimum wage workers (ushers, catering staff, etc) is an excellent way to judge them. That's why I didn't like Ted Watt-Ruffell from day one, as he was rude and dismissive of staff (Steve Ladyman was another one), and that's why I also have a lot of time for Laura Sandys, Roger Gale, Roger Latchford, Mick and Shirley, etc. <br /><br />Our local press do a mostly excellent job (though it's about time they did another feature on "Naked in Thanet"!), and Rebecca is genuinely beautiful.Peter Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283534498743254609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-73842440557523477342012-07-01T19:32:26.095+01:002012-07-01T19:32:26.095+01:00Isn't the Mayor meant to be political - it'...Isn't the Mayor meant to be political - it's a political office and in this instance held by a politician. Why would you have a ceremonial role funded by the public?<br /><br />I've seen bigger leaks from a tap. It's petty piffle.<br /><br />The problem is that our councilors can only do ceremonial. Or insult each other for being political - rather like insulting each other for breathing.<br /><br />Then they end up having no policies except ribboncutting. Add in the MP's doing the same,and TDC and KCC Chairmen and there's dozens of them swanning around to no use at all.<br /><br />In effect charity work on the rates rather than running the council and public services such as streetcleaning etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-28507907778216379702012-07-01T19:03:57.803+01:002012-07-01T19:03:57.803+01:00I wasn't going to bother getting involved in a...I wasn't going to bother getting involved in all this - Scobie made a mistake and corrected it as soon as it was pointed out to him; bless, he's only young. However, a few comments above have led to to feel that some sort of interjection is needed, before Conspiracy City goes into overload.<br /><br />Peter. Some questions for you, not that I'm expecting sensible answers. Since you know Ms Hibbert so well maybe you can explain how she has been below the radar until recently. From what she (?) says in her Westgate material you would think that she had been around and been prominent in local politics for ever - well until a couple of weeks ago I'd never even heard of her; and that despite the fact that she numbers all our IoTG hacks as Twitter followers. I know they hardly qualify as journalists but I would have thought that if she was such a local celebrity she would have warranted a few lines in Red Rebecca's Rag. Another question based on your extensive knowledge of her is to do with some confusion over her name. In her listing in 192.com she is variously described as J S Hibbert, J S Allen or J S Khadamzedeh. Please explain. Finally, hasn't she been one of your "models"?<br /><br />Michael. Let me propose a hypothesis. Let's imagine that there's someone working in the Mayors office (who by Will's own admission has access to the Margate.Mayor Facebook account) - let's call him, Mark Felt. He's a little miffed at the political message on the Mayor's page (again, not denied) so decides to leak. Traditionally he would go to the local press but they're not into investigative journalism (or in fact any real journalism at all) so he decides to approach a local politician, Mr Bernstein-Woodward. Mr Felt takes a screenshot of the offending document and sends it to Mr Bernstein-Woodward who promptly makes sure that the information is widely disseminated. At no time did Mr Bernstein-Woodward access the offending page himself. In fact, if Mr Bernstein-Woodward was not known as a world-wide IT expert, no-one would have assumed that he had anything to do with the original leak other than accepting it.(I'm afraid I've had to unmask Mr Felt in this story since you don't allow offensive language, even when it's a nom de guerre.) There's no reason why this fairly traditional leak scenario isn't the version applicable to the present furore, except in the fevered minds of the local conspiracy theorists.<br /><br />I do hope your children don't learn to spell from your blogs - "keep a tight reign" indeed.Tim Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360638835659673415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-88127892981003643402012-07-01T18:04:09.929+01:002012-07-01T18:04:09.929+01:00Useful point - and in that case do we need so many...Useful point - and in that case do we need so many people at the council - and the tax and rates that fund them? <br /><br />Active officials/councillors and lower tax improves things. At the moment it's just waste. What are they doing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-21075043707117911742012-07-01T17:46:38.802+01:002012-07-01T17:46:38.802+01:00Mary Portas, TDC, KCC and every other busybody sho...Mary Portas, TDC, KCC and every other busybody should stop trying to use public money to regenerate Margate. Margate will be regenerated by individuals who will beg, steal and borrow money to do it if they smell a profit. The role of Councils is to allow this to take place by letting it be known that they won't be putting obstacles in people's way and that they will be highly focussed on making this a great place to live and work. You need good schools, low crime, a range of amenities and you need the streets kept clean and tidy. The Council doesn't have a role in schools and it doesn't have a role in crime; which leaves us with improving amenities and sweeping the streets. We have 54 Councillors and if they all got out there with a broom they'd do a lot more good than they do at the moment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-80428586603811023592012-07-01T06:07:37.755+01:002012-07-01T06:07:37.755+01:00Interesting and thanks for the link.
Be grateful ...Interesting and thanks for the link.<br /><br />Be grateful if my youngest ever stood still long enough to read anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-39884355920224426542012-07-01T00:57:05.433+01:002012-07-01T00:57:05.433+01:00This is the best Mary Portas and TDC can come up w...This is the best Mary Portas and TDC can come up with for regeneration: £100k grant and £60m tax?<br /><br />http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2012/june/30/suitcase_conga.aspx<br /><br />An instant market of anyone with two suitcases to sell junk.<br /><br />Clutching at straws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-59540233800750393132012-06-30T21:55:54.939+01:002012-06-30T21:55:54.939+01:00Thanks Tom, my children read this blog and I try t...Thanks Tom, my children read this blog and I try to keep a tight reign on the language, I insist they know both the meaning of words and which ones not to use.<br /><br />I first gained access to a mainframe computer in 1968 and have picked up the odd thing since.<br /><br />If you understand computers take a gander at <a href="http://thanetblogs.blogspot.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://thanetblogs.blogspot.co.uk</a>/ and consider how it works.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-1608983761814447672012-06-30T21:33:53.327+01:002012-06-30T21:33:53.327+01:00Sorry, Michael, but would never have classed SH on...Sorry, Michael, but would never have classed SH one T as seriously obscene, but fair enough, it is your site. Love the threat of actions. Do you really have the power, or the right, to stop people using blogger? You must be even closer to Big Brother than I thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-46110418190281722412012-06-30T21:22:28.090+01:002012-06-30T21:22:28.090+01:00Tom kindly moderate your language here or I will a...Tom kindly moderate your language here or I will apply actions that will make it difficult for you to use blogger.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-90486263004892673242012-06-30T21:13:09.652+01:002012-06-30T21:13:09.652+01:00Come now, Anon 7:18, it was the mayor himself who ...Come now, Anon 7:18, it was the mayor himself who brought his office into disrepute and it would be very naive to expect political opponents not to draw attention to it. Next you will be saying that all MPs of all parties should support the PM and never criticise his mistakes.<br /><br />No doubt you are one of those Labour luvvies who would deny Labour shit smells like anyone elses, if I said it did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-65383794246800639242012-06-30T19:18:39.499+01:002012-06-30T19:18:39.499+01:00What I dont understand is that as a charter truste...What I dont understand is that as a charter trustee it is Simon's duty not only to elect the mayor but also to support him so why is he critising the mayor in public? Politics should play no part in this. Simon's action can only be an attempt to put the position of Margate's mayor in disrupute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-10043746457193927432012-06-30T16:14:10.966+01:002012-06-30T16:14:10.966+01:00The Environment Protection Act 1990 covers most as...The Environment Protection Act 1990 covers most aspects of pollution etc. The sale of a business - especially an airport - would fall within that. As Manston already does, hence cleanup notices on the aquifer etc.<br /><br />The regulations are there, it's just that Infratil and TDC have decided to remove them and ignore them upto now.<br /><br />Infratil will just walk away - a $20M sale is neither here nor there for their $1bn profits - and leave KCC/TDC to sort out the mess or shunt the problem between them and do nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-34066222215150537322012-06-30T14:08:05.135+01:002012-06-30T14:08:05.135+01:0011.05 I don’t think it would be possible for gover...11.05 I don’t think it would be possible for government to enact a law saying that UK businesses had to reach some sort of environmental standard before they could be bought and sold.<br /><br />I guess the main difficulty with Manston is that it was built as a military airfield and that no one build a commercial airport on that site in that way.<br /><br />The compromises here were caused when the MOD wanted to get rid of the site without losing millions of pounds of taxpayers money, hence no planning permission, inadequate environmental controls, no public enquiry and so on. I wouldn’t think the council had very much sway in the issue. <br /><br />I would guess this situation isn’t exactly ideal from the airport operators point of view either.<br /><br />But yes the asking price that started at £80m has dropped by considerably now.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-60138964425939160902012-06-30T13:54:41.809+01:002012-06-30T13:54:41.809+01:008.45 I think you have hit the nail on the head her...8.45 I think you have hit the nail on the head here in a number of ways, at the moment I would say that Terry Pratchett is probably the UK’s greatest living author and this is a modified quote from his book “Eric” so I assumed that most people would be familiar with it.<br /><br />There was however no mention of that the chicken was raw, this suggests you have formed opinions of your own that take us further that nine and a half weeks and that perhaps you don’t like bread and butter or toast and jam, to eat that is.<br /><br />I suggest you “Google Terry Pratchett chicken” or better still come into my bookshop and buy some of his books.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-14734946282936073832012-06-30T13:44:21.114+01:002012-06-30T13:44:21.114+01:00Like, wow!Like, wow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3575321478441277410.post-40718121821458627102012-06-30T11:05:57.350+01:002012-06-30T11:05:57.350+01:00The airport has twice been sold without doing any ...The airport has twice been sold without doing any kind of environmental impact or risk assessment. It is essential that this does not happen again. You wouldn't buy an expensive house without getitng a surveyor's report and, if you did, any structural problems would be down to you to sort out. Buyer beware. It is ludicrous to allow somebody to buy the airport without ensuring that potentially serious environmental issues are addressed. In my opinion, if the airport is to be sold as an airport, there are two options. Either the sellers (Infratil) do a full environmental impact assessment prior to sale, or the new owners are legally committed to doing one as soon as they have bought it. Either way, there should be no way that new owners can wriggle out of the expenditure needed to protect the aquifer and Pegwell Bay from their activities. In addition they should be prepared to take on liability for any damage which subsequently turns out to have been caused by the airport (i.e. you buy it - you're liable for it). If this means that the purchase price for the airport has to be reduced, then so be it. Infratil will have to pay the price. Otherwise, the long-suffering taxpayer could end up footing the bill for the activities of a commercial company.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com