Showing posts with label Sewage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sewage. Show all posts

Tuesday, 20 August 2019

Thanet archive photos Sands and Sewage

 I think the tall Granville Tower so before 1900 and most unusually you can see a train in the siding on the right of the tunnel entrance, after 1879 as you can see the pier. Note the footbridge over the railway extending out the side of Augusta Steps

 This is a very early picture of Ramsgate Sands before the station was built in 1860













 I do often wonder about this one EU and lottery funding and we come out with a much worse seafront.
 A fairly quiet day in Michael's Bookshop, where I work, today, so I got a bit more done building more bookcases. We got a reasonable amount of books priced and put out on the shelves too.

link to the photos of today's books

Finally the sewage, legend is that Queen Victoria caught cholera in Ramsgate,anyway there seems to be a Thanet pollution reporting issue at the moment.

Surfers Against Sewage are saying there has been a sewage discharge at Joss Bay
Thanet District Council say all's well

Link to the TDC press release

I wonder who is right.

I just checked the SAS website and they haven't taken the information down from their map.

Obviously while this isn't what we would want just before a bank holiday with a good forecast I think it is very important that the council play things very cautiously and warn people adequately.

Public confidence that they will pull down the blue flag and hoist the brown flag if needs be is as important as having quality beaches.

The majority European coastal towns have mixed sewage systems that mean discharges often follow heavy rainfall.

According The Isle of Thanet News Southern Water who theoretically notify SAS of a discharge say there hasn't been one so a major glitch somewhere. 

This is certainly one that needs sorting as SAS are still showing the discharge now 21.09 20/08/2019

Update, I have just had a look this morning 21.8.2019 and the Joss Bay warning has gone, in fact there are no warnings on any of the Kent coast.

My own take here is that this one needs resolving, either there was no discharge and something went wrong between Southern Water and Surfers Against Sewage or there was and the main agencies who should be protecting us covered it up. Either way it damages the local economy.

Thursday, 17 May 2018

Ramsgate Margate main sands old photos and the Blue Flags and the bathing water quality testing


Living and trading in Ramsgate I am conscious that there is a disparity between the way the district and county councils treat Ramsgate and Margate and that somehow Ramsgate didn’t get a blue flag this year.

As I have observed before, the councils KCC with Turner and TDC with Dreamland that they really can’t let Margate fail.

You know it’s a funny old thing but I thought that it was the water quality in Margate that had serious problems in 2017, but then if there is a sewage spill and the council report it properly then it doesn’t count against the quality.

Essentially if you take the blue flag down and put the brown on up, well we have been here before, of course I am sure that I must of got this all wrong and someone will put me right



Close up of a bathing machine at Margate

These two pictures of Ramsgate which should expand well if you click on them were both taken before 1860


Ramsgate Main Sands water quality

Margate Main Sands water quality

Margate                                                                                Ramsgate


busy day buying books in Canterbury and Herne Bay today so no that much to say, here is the link to the pictures of the latest arrivals in the bookshop http://michaelsbookshop.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/catch-22-in-bookshop.html

Oh and here is the link to the pictures on my camera card for today New pylons, rats etc


Tuesday, 27 January 2015

A ramble about sewage, taking credit cards with PayPal in my bookshop and Manston Airport.

Not much in the local news today and I noticed that Kent Online had a lead article about sewage http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/southern-water-reveals-sewer-blocker-30657/ while here in Thanet there are major works underway to deal with our sewers.

The problems in Thanet relating to our water supply and sewage are unusual and related to tunnelling our chalk, which is very easy.  

From a water supply point of view you either know how the system works or need some simplified explanation which I will try to provide.

If you think of Thanet as big lump of chalk sitting on a layer of clay surrounded by sea you won’t be far out. The chalk acts like a sponge, the clay underneath stops the rainwater running out the bottom and the sea at the sides stops the rainwater running out the sides.

There isn’t much sideways movement of water or obviously or the surrounding seawater would have made the Thanet groundwater brackish millennia ago, however our sewers which started being built in about 1840 and seem to have used roughly the same construction methods for the following hundred years are now giving problems.

In most places if you want to lay a major sewage pipe, you dig a trench and put the pipe in the bottom of it then fill it in, in Thanet they often dug a tunnel through the chalk and lined the bottom of it with something that wasn’t porous.

The snag here is obvious if you get a blockage the level rises to above the impermeable lining and soaks into the chalk contaminating the drinking water aquifer.


On to Paypal, well the first few days of using the payal card reader linked to the android tablet (see http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/taking-credit-and-charge-cards-in-my.html )have gone reasonably well.

The only issues have been that the tablet automatically reboots at 7 am, which means it forgets the paypal password, so it is best insert the password when opening the shop and when the reader gets to around 20% charge it refuses to work, giving you a recharge message instead of an insert card message, once you have plugged it into a charger it immediately works ok, so it is best to have a charger handy.


There has been a fair amount of activity at the airport over the last week with one of the broken down planes being broken up for scrap and various amounts of disused concrete has been removed, all in all more clearing of the site that doesn’t need consent or where consent has been granted.

Actual demolition on the site is a bit of grey area consent wise, in most cases I don’t think planning consent would be required as it isn’t a conservation area, however local authority planning department and environment agency involvement will be needed for some things mainly because of Manston being on the aquifer.  

If for instance the current owners want to remove the runway, I think they would be obliged to consult with those agencies to ensure that they did this in a way that wouldn’t damage the aquifer.

This is rather in the same sort of bracket that you need planning permission to build a garage in your garden but you don’t necessarily need planning permission to knock down a garage in your garden, but would be advised to inform the council if you are going to.

I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding going around that parliament could actually force TDC to engage in a cpo with an indemnity partner that TDC had rejected, this just isn’t the case.

If the department of transport makes any significant changes to which airports they consider to be important, this is highly unlikely to happen until well after the general election when the new government had become established.

I will leave you with a picture of the traditional Thanet Tea Ceremony, in this case being performed in Margate. The timing of the ceremony can be varied with a 240-volt kettle as this type of generator offers a 110-volt output, which allows for the slower boiling method. As an ex engineer this is often used in areas where members of the populace are technically described as "well fit" used less in areas of gba. 


Obviously it takes a highly skilled water engineer to fully comprehend what is happening in the picture.

As a bookseller I can usually offer further reading.



Today's most strange Kent tweet has to be this one from Kent emergency services.

Tuesday, 29 July 2014

School holidays start with don’t swim in the sea and children’s books in the bookshop

 I will start with the children’s books, it is a very good idea if children have a books to read during the school holidays. The pictures are of the books in the children’s section of my bookshop, if you click on the photos so they get bigger and click on them again, once they have got bigger, they should get big enough to let you read most of the titles. If they don’t I will try to take some better photos and replace them.

I am having a jinxed day, I could say my decent camera has gone wrong, the truth is that I have lost the charger, so I took the pictures with my mobile phone which isn’t so good indoors.
 There are several reasons why it is best for children to have a real book to read, rather than a kindle, or some other device, the main one being that technology has just too many distractions.

Another one is to do with what some people call “lose toys in the attic” which is a euphemism (another way of saying) “mental” “mad” and so on, which can be hurtful if the person you’re talking about has really got a mental illness.  
 However people who are reasonably sane, in fact everyone, has stuff in their minds that works strangely for one reason or another. I think that if someone uses a screen a lot to read things that hardly go in to their memory and they will never need a few seconds after reading them, then their minds get used to junking stuff they read on screens.

A very good example on this blog is when the adults start to insult each other, they skim up and down the comments looking only for. What? Someone they don’t like so they can be rude to them. Someone who has been rude to them. can you think of any more? But the point here is it soon becomes obvious that they are not interested in the topic of the post, so their mind is junking that information.
 If you read a book on a screen and your mind has gone even a little bit like that when you read from screens, you may find you’ve “lost the plot” sorry couldn’t resist that one, wait until I get to the sea, it will get worse.

This can be a problem with serious study, my children have been saying, “print it out dad” for years.
 This part of my bookshop has children’s books for children, the books are priced accordingly, there are lots of books priced under £1 and if you look carefully some are priced at 10p. This is partly books that are nearly worn out, but also my low cunning which I hope will make children look at the books carefully.

 I should also point out the we offer exchange vouchers for books we want, and either money or more value in book exchange vouchers for books we want a lot. So if you have books you have already read you may not need money at all.
 There is always not paying for books at all and we have a library with a children’s book section which all children can join for free. What’s the snag? Library fines. Are you a well organised person? Do you loose things? Do strange marks appear on books when you read them? Do the pages often fall out when you read books? If the answer to any these questions is yes, then either change your ways or pay.
 Of course if you have bought a book and the book has some sort of accident, then this can be less of a problem and it can make for more relaxed reading.
 The big question is. Why would you want to read a book at all? If you didn’t ask it even a little bit, somewhere in your head's attic then you can skip the next bit.

Otherwise there are two questions. Do you like money? And do you like life.

People who read books do better with their education. People with a better education earn more money. People who earn more money usually have a greater life expectancy (live longer).

So think of the poor total stranger who is you in a few years time. 
 I have started expanding the children’s section, this is a long job and a bit like a puzzle, for instance I have to move all of dictionaries in order to make space some books about crime, so I can move the humour books, so there is more space for children’s books next to the rest of the children's books.
 On to the don’t swim in the sea business, the council has issued a warning not to swim in the sea on the beaches between Walpole Bay and Dumpton Gap, this includes: Walpole Bay, Palm Bay, Botany Bay, Kingsgate Bay, Joss Bay, Stone Bay, Viking Bay, Louisa Bay and Dumpton Gap.
 The Australians often have signs by their swimming pools saying. “Don’t pee in our swimming pool and we won’t swim in your toilet.” What seems to have happened here is we peed in our toilets and it has arrived in our sea.
 In some ways this is good news, because up until recently when things went wrong they didn’t tell anyone, now they put up warning signs and I think if something like this happens it is better to tell people.
 I will write a bit more about this later, I know you really know this is because I want to see how much it takes to fill the spaces, but I am pretending I have something interesting to say. 

Back in 2011 what happened here in Thanet when things went badly wrong, was the council and the water company let everyone swim in their toilet. I had a word with the council about this, here it is http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/thanet-blue-flags-some-thoughts-from.html so you see what reading can do.

It means that if you read a lot you may have some unexpected information up your sleeve, even the water company's engineer's notes.  

The downside here is that the council may not like you very much, so you may wind up trying to run a business opposite the biggest shop in the street and find that on the one hand it belongs to the council. While on the other hand it’s empty and they never ever intend to let it as a shop again.
Now I am going to be politically incorrect here, in fact I am going to be sexist, I am going to suggest first that women do most of the shopping and I am going on to suggest that most women won’t park in the multi story car park.  

Now three of my children and my wife are of the female persuasion and most of the blog readers will be familiar with the pictures that I paint, and put on this blog, while waiting for shopping to occur. I know this sexism may lead to adverse comment so I am covering my back here the best I can.   
However I think I may have the reason why nearly all of the shops in King Street between mine and the town centre are still trading as shops and I think this reason is that it is right next the open air car park which is where most of the women park when they come to Ramsgate.

Now in most of the other towns in this country the councils are doing everything they can to keep shops open, so it may be purely coincidental that they are trying very hard to keep this one closed.


Of course it may be that the reason that nearly all of the shops between mine and the town centre are open is because of the people going past them on the way to buy their books, ok I concede it may be a bit of each.   
Oh no I’ve just realised that I have done something else that will very probably annoy the council, perhaps they will buy another shop in the street and make sure that it is never going to be a shop again.


There isn’t much else they can do, we already have had pretty much every possible on street parking space removed, the wobbly pavements the blocked drains and have been excluded from the town centre policing.

The bottom line here is.

We'll let you swim in our toilet if you don't pee on our council. 

Saturday, 25 January 2014

Saturday ramble mostly about seawater quality

My bookshop today falls into the fairly busy category, that is not really busy enough to occupy me all the time but busy enough to prevent me from getting on with anything useful


I am trying to get back into drawing a likeness, not the easiest thing to do I have just had a go a Nick Clegg with disastrous results as you see, he is a bit short on features and tends to look fairly different depending on what expression he is pulling.

The main local matter that seems to be highlighted on the internet and in the news is the sewage discharge in Thanet, like most of the civilised world the disposal of sewage here is not without difficulties and even when everything is working properly Thanet’s main sewage works Wetherlys doesn’t completely clean the water.

You certainly wouldn’t want to drink the – what’s the word here – purified, perhaps not, treated water that is discharged into the sea a few hundred yards from Walpole bay.

Things are a lot better than they were on the sewage front, before about 1830 we used to let the liquid part of sewage soak into the ground, the solid part being used for fertiliser. As we dug drinking water wells near to the soakaways this lead to disease.

Industry particularly tanneries used human and animal excrement as part of the tanning process and the poor used to sell their urine, leading to expression, piss poor. The very poor were not able to do this, leading to the expression, so poor they’ve not got a pot to piss in.

From about 1830 the Thanet towns started to get their first sewage systems, the sewage was discharged raw into the sea from long outfall pipes adjacent to the main towns.

Now of course most of our sewage is processed at Wetherlys and the processed sewage is discharged into the sea via a long outfall pipe.

The Environment Agency licences Southern Water to discharge some chemicals into the sea there and some of these chemicals are harmful pollutants, the idea being that the sea dilutes and disperses them.

This is what was discharged into the sea there in 2011, I have the figures for the previous 10 years, but not those for 2012 yet.


These amounts are within the Environment Agency’s discharge consent licence and frankly within the current financial and technical limitations they are necessary discharges to run Thanet’s sewage works.



In simple terms, this goes in the sea or the Thanet towns fill up with sewage.    



Total released

Ammonia 1630kg -

penta-, octa- and deca- BDE <.1kg -

Arsenic 12.3kg -

Cadmium  <1kg comment-1kg--="" nbsp="">

Chloroform (Trichloromethane) <5kg comment-5kg--="" nbsp="">

Chromium <20kg kg--="" nbsp="">

Copper 153kg -

Lead <20kg comment-20kg--="" nbsp="">

Mercury .15kg -

Methylene chloride <10kg comment-10kg--="" nbsp="">

Nickel  <20kg font="" nbsp="">

Zinc Sea 216kg -

Cyanides - as CN <50kg comment-50kg--="" nbsp="">

Chlorides - as Cl  <2000t comment-2000t--="" nbsp="">

Fluorides - as F  <2000kg comment-2000kg--="" d="">

Phenols - total as C  

Permethrin  4.96g -

Nonylphenols 1.38kg -

Nonylphenol ethoxylates Sea 29kg -

Octylphenols  <1kg comment-1kg--="" nbsp="">

Tributyltin compounds .02kg -

tert-Butyl methyl ther (MTBE)  <1kg comment-1kg--="" nbsp="">

Propetamphos  .02kg -

Benzyl butyl phthalate (BBP)  .12kg -

Bisphenol-A  .55kg -

DEHP  59kg -

Diuron  1.05kg -

Halogenated organic compounds <1000kg comment-1000kg--="" d="">

Nitrogen - as total N  159000kg -

Phosphorus - as total P  25400kg -

Total organic carbon (TOC) <50000kg comment-50000kg--="" nbsp="">

Anthracene  .12kg -

Clotrimazole .15kg -

Triclosan  1.37kg -

Asbestos  .61kg -


Aniline (Benzeneamine)  <1kg font="" nbsp="">

Wednesday, 6 June 2012

Thanet Beaches and the sewage leak


Thanet Beaches and the sewage leak

This will be the third year running that I have tried to sort out something sensible to resolve this issue, and I should make it quite clear that that problem isn’t so much a pollution issue as a communication issue.

There is no way that pollution incidences can be avoided, it just isn’t possible because we have far too many people living in the world today, there is no way of reverting to a pre industrial society.

In this particular area of pollution i.e. the contamination of our beaches with sewage, the problem isn’t just a Thanet one, but applies pretty much everywhere in the world where there is a fairly high population living close to the sea.

What happens is that the sewage and the rainwater in fact everything that goes down the drain has to be processed and then discharged into the sea and periodically something goes wrong. 

We now know that the sewage leak started last Wednesday and indeed last Thursday I took my family to Westbrook beach where my children swam in the sea. The problem for me is not that the sewage leaked into the sea but that the council didn’t issue any warning until the following Monday and still seem to failing to fly red flags put precautionary notices and beach entrances.

My guess is that this behaviour will once again result in the withdrawal of most of our blue flags and the resultant damage to the local economy.

I tried to sort this one out last year when Thanet lost most of its blue flags, this link takes you to my correspondence with the council’s Commercial Services Manager http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/thanet-blue-flags-some-thoughts-from.html

I also made as much fuss as seemed reasonable during the 2010 pollution incident http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/blue-flags-summer-sewage-sand-and.html


I think the main difficulty here is that the council and councillors have for years gone down the road of covering pollution issues up rather than trying to look for solutions, here is an example of what I mean from Simon Moores on Thanet Life http://birchington.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/interesting-times.html don’t get me wrong here I am not singling out Simon over this issue, rather the reverse as at least he publishes his views on the internet where we can all read them.

But the thread there does I hope illustrate what I am talking about and were proper measures set up to deal with this problem last year or the year before, swimming around in sewage would be a thing of the past.

Simon has obviously revised his position on this issue as he has posted about the information and communication problems today see http://birchington.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/closed.html   

The picture above is a watercolour of Margate Lighthouse viewed from Westbrook, sorry about the splodgey bits, watercolour painting while supervising ones children on the beach is not an exact art.   

I will ramble on if I get time.  

Saturday, 10 September 2011

Thanet bathing water quality

After the loss of several of our blue flags due to pollution incidents I have been keeping an eye on this issue. Late august was not a particularly good time for bathing water quality in Thanet, as you can see from the EA maps.

The Environment Agency interactive maps are available at http://maps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/wiybyController?ep=maptopics&lang=_e and let you know about local bathing water quality pollution incidents and so on.

Playing about with the various interactive maps it looks as though there may have been some sort of sewage discharge in the area at the end of August.

This problem seems to be as much to do with poor communication between the agencies involved than a particularly bad problem with pollution locally.

I will endeavour to add to this one as I get time.  

Tuesday, 29 June 2010

Ramsgate Pleasurama sewage and cliff

A few pictures from yesterday, as you can see the hole where the sewage leak was has been filled in and tarmaced over.
This picture also taken yesterday shows the surface of the water in the harbour adjacent, I an not saying that it is still leaking sewage, just that is what it looks like.
Oh and the bit of the repaired Pleasurama cliff facade that was recently rerepaired has now been repainted, it must be about time to weed it again, I am pretty sure there should be an annual contract to do that.

To enlarge the pictures click on them and then click on them again, perhaps not recommended for the one of the surface of the water.