I think the tall Granville Tower so before 1900 and most unusually you can see a train in the siding on the right of the tunnel entrance, after 1879 as you can see the pier. Note the footbridge over the railway extending out the side of Augusta Steps
This is a very early picture of Ramsgate Sands before the station was built in 1860
I do often wonder about this one EU and lottery funding and we come out with a much worse seafront.
A fairly quiet day in Michael's Bookshop, where I work, today, so I got a bit more done building more bookcases. We got a reasonable amount of books priced and put out on the shelves too.
link to the photos of today's books
Finally the sewage, legend is that Queen Victoria caught cholera in Ramsgate,anyway there seems to be a Thanet pollution reporting issue at the moment.
Surfers Against Sewage are saying there has been a sewage discharge at Joss Bay
Thanet District Council say all's well
Link to the TDC press release
I wonder who is right.
I just checked the SAS website and they haven't taken the information down from their map.
Obviously while this isn't what we would want just before a bank holiday with a good forecast I think it is very important that the council play things very cautiously and warn people adequately.
Public confidence that they will pull down the blue flag and hoist the brown flag if needs be is as important as having quality beaches.
The majority European coastal towns have mixed sewage systems that mean discharges often follow heavy rainfall.
According The Isle of Thanet News Southern Water who theoretically notify SAS of a discharge say there hasn't been one so a major glitch somewhere.
This is certainly one that needs sorting as SAS are still showing the discharge now 21.09 20/08/2019
Update, I have just had a look this morning 21.8.2019 and the Joss Bay warning has gone, in fact there are no warnings on any of the Kent coast.
My own take here is that this one needs resolving, either there was no discharge and something went wrong between Southern Water and Surfers Against Sewage or there was and the main agencies who should be protecting us covered it up. Either way it damages the local economy.
News, Local history and Thanet issues from Michael's Bookshop in Ramsgate see www.michaelsbookshop.com I publish over 200 books about the history of this area click here to look at them.
Showing posts with label Sewage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sewage. Show all posts
Tuesday, 20 August 2019
Thursday, 17 May 2018
Ramsgate Margate main sands old photos and the Blue Flags and the bathing water quality testing
Living and trading in Ramsgate I am conscious that there is
a disparity between the way the district and county councils treat Ramsgate and
Margate and that somehow Ramsgate didn’t get a blue flag this year.
As I have observed before, the councils KCC with Turner and TDC
with Dreamland that they really can’t let Margate fail.
You know it’s a funny old thing but I thought that it was
the water quality in Margate that had serious problems in 2017, but then if
there is a sewage spill and the council report it properly then it doesn’t
count against the quality.
Essentially if you take the blue flag down and put the brown
on up, well we have been here before, of course I am sure that I must of got
this all wrong and someone will put me right
Close up of a bathing machine at Margate
Ramsgate Main Sands water quality
Margate Main Sands water quality
Margate Ramsgate
busy day buying books in Canterbury and Herne Bay today so
no that much to say, here is the link to the pictures of the latest arrivals in
the bookshop http://michaelsbookshop.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/catch-22-in-bookshop.html
Oh and here is the link to the pictures on my camera card for today New pylons, rats etc
Oh and here is the link to the pictures on my camera card for today New pylons, rats etc
Tuesday, 27 January 2015
A ramble about sewage, taking credit cards with PayPal in my bookshop and Manston Airport.
Not much in the local news today and I noticed that Kent
Online had a lead article about sewage http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/southern-water-reveals-sewer-blocker-30657/
while here in Thanet there are major works underway to deal with our sewers.
The problems in Thanet relating to our water supply and
sewage are unusual and related to tunnelling our chalk, which is very
easy.
From a water supply point of view you either know how the
system works or need some simplified explanation which I will try to provide.
If you think of Thanet as big lump of chalk sitting on a
layer of clay surrounded by sea you won’t be far out. The chalk acts like a
sponge, the clay underneath stops the rainwater running out the bottom and the
sea at the sides stops the rainwater running out the sides.
There isn’t much sideways movement of water or obviously or
the surrounding seawater would have made the Thanet groundwater brackish
millennia ago, however our sewers which started being built in about 1840 and
seem to have used roughly the same construction methods for the following
hundred years are now giving problems.
In most places if you want to lay a major sewage pipe, you
dig a trench and put the pipe in the bottom of it then fill it in, in Thanet
they often dug a tunnel through the chalk and lined the bottom of it with something
that wasn’t porous.
The snag here is obvious if you get a blockage the level
rises to above the impermeable lining and soaks into the chalk contaminating
the drinking water aquifer.
Bumph about this is starting to appear online, see file:///C:/Users/Michael/Desktop/11%20thanet%20sewers%20groundwater%20scheme%20public%20publication%20final.pdf
and https://shareweb.kent.gov.uk/Documents/environment-and-planning/flooding/Thanet%20Stage%201%20SWMP%20-%20Report.pdf
and google away at your leisure.
On to Paypal, well the first few days of using the payal
card reader linked to the android tablet (see http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/taking-credit-and-charge-cards-in-my.html
)have gone reasonably well.
The only issues have been that the tablet automatically
reboots at 7 am, which means it forgets the paypal password, so it is best
insert the password when opening the shop and when the reader gets to around
20% charge it refuses to work, giving you a recharge message instead of an
insert card message, once you have plugged it into a charger it immediately
works ok, so it is best to have a charger handy.
Manston comes up at parliament on Monday, here are links to
the two main submissions http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/transport-committee/smaller-airports/written/17277.html
and http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/transport-committee/smaller-airports/written/17493.html
it’s very difficult to see in either of these documents any compelling case for
a cpo.
There has been a fair amount of activity at the airport over
the last week with one of the broken down planes being broken up for scrap and
various amounts of disused concrete has been removed, all in all more clearing
of the site that doesn’t need consent or where consent has been granted.
Actual demolition on the site is a bit of grey area consent
wise, in most cases I don’t think planning consent would be required as it
isn’t a conservation area, however local authority planning department and
environment agency involvement will be needed for some things mainly because of
Manston being on the aquifer.
If for instance the current owners want to remove the
runway, I think they would be obliged to consult with those agencies to ensure
that they did this in a way that wouldn’t damage the aquifer.
This is rather in the same sort of bracket that you need
planning permission to build a garage in your garden but you don’t necessarily
need planning permission to knock down a garage in your garden, but would be
advised to inform the council if you are going to.
I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding going around
that parliament could actually force TDC to engage in a cpo with an indemnity
partner that TDC had rejected, this just isn’t the case.
If the department of transport makes any significant changes
to which airports they consider to be important, this is highly unlikely to
happen until well after the general election when the new government had become
established.
I will leave you with a picture of the traditional Thanet
Tea Ceremony, in this case being performed in Margate. The timing of the ceremony
can be varied with a 240-volt kettle as this type of generator offers a 110-volt
output, which allows for the slower boiling method. As an ex engineer this is often used in areas where members of the populace are technically described as "well fit" used less in areas of gba.
Obviously it takes a highly skilled water engineer to fully
comprehend what is happening in the picture.
As a bookseller I can usually offer further reading.
Today's most strange Kent tweet has to be this one from Kent emergency services.
As a bookseller I can usually offer further reading.
Today's most strange Kent tweet has to be this one from Kent emergency services.
Tuesday, 29 July 2014
School holidays start with don’t swim in the sea and children’s books in the bookshop
I will start with the children’s books, it is a very good
idea if children have a books to read during the school holidays. The pictures
are of the books in the children’s section of my bookshop, if you click on the
photos so they get bigger and click on them again, once they have got bigger,
they should get big enough to let you read most of the titles. If they don’t I
will try to take some better photos and replace them.
I am having a jinxed day, I could say my decent camera has gone wrong, the truth is that I have lost the charger, so I took the pictures with my mobile phone which isn’t so good indoors.
There are several reasons why it is best for children to have a real book to read, rather than a kindle, or some other device, the main one being that technology has just too many distractions.
I should also point out the we offer exchange vouchers for books we want, and either money or more value in book exchange vouchers for books we want a lot. So if you have books you have already read you may not need money at all.
There is always not paying for books at all and we have a library with a children’s book section which all children can join for free. What’s the snag? Library fines. Are you a well organised person? Do you loose things? Do strange marks appear on books when you read them? Do the pages often fall out when you read books? If the answer to any these questions is yes, then either change your ways or pay.
Of course if you have bought a book and the book has some
sort of accident, then this can be less of a problem and it can make for more
relaxed reading.
The big question is. Why would you want to read a book at all? If you didn’t ask it even a little bit, somewhere in your head's attic then you can skip the next bit.
On to the don’t swim in the sea business, the council has issued a warning not to swim in the sea on the beaches between Walpole Bay and Dumpton Gap, this includes: Walpole Bay, Palm Bay, Botany Bay, Kingsgate Bay, Joss Bay, Stone Bay, Viking Bay, Louisa Bay and Dumpton Gap.
The Australians often have signs by their swimming pools saying. “Don’t pee in our swimming pool and we won’t swim in your toilet.” What seems to have happened here is we peed in our toilets and it has arrived in our sea.
In some ways this is good news, because up until recently when things went wrong they didn’t tell anyone, now they put up warning signs and I think if something like this happens it is better to tell people.
I will write a bit more about this later, I know you really know this is because I want to see how much it takes to fill the spaces, but I am pretending I have something interesting to say.
The downside here is that the council may not like you
very much, so you may wind up trying to run a business opposite the biggest
shop in the street and find that on the one hand it belongs to the council. While
on the other hand it’s empty and they never ever intend to let it as a shop again.
Now three of my children and my wife are of the female
persuasion and most of the blog readers will be familiar with the pictures that
I paint, and put on this blog, while waiting for shopping to occur. I know this sexism
may lead to adverse comment so I am covering my back here the best I can.
I am having a jinxed day, I could say my decent camera has gone wrong, the truth is that I have lost the charger, so I took the pictures with my mobile phone which isn’t so good indoors.
There are several reasons why it is best for children to have a real book to read, rather than a kindle, or some other device, the main one being that technology has just too many distractions.
Another one is to do with what some people call “lose toys
in the attic” which is a euphemism (another way of saying) “mental” “mad” and
so on, which can be hurtful if the person you’re talking about has really got a
mental illness.
However people who are reasonably sane, in fact everyone, has
stuff in their minds that works strangely for one reason or another. I think
that if someone uses a screen a lot to read things that hardly go in to their
memory and they will never need a few seconds after reading them, then their
minds get used to junking stuff they read on screens.
A very good example on this blog is when the adults start to
insult each other, they skim up and down the comments looking only for. What?
Someone they don’t like so they can be rude to them. Someone who has been rude to them. can
you think of any more? But the point here is it soon becomes obvious that they
are not interested in the topic of the post, so their mind is junking that
information.
If you read a book on a screen and your mind has gone even a
little bit like that when you read from screens, you may find you’ve “lost the
plot” sorry couldn’t resist that one, wait until I get to the sea, it will get
worse.
This can be a problem with serious study, my children have
been saying, “print it out dad” for years.
This part of my bookshop has children’s books
for children, the books are priced accordingly, there are lots of books priced
under £1 and if you look carefully some are priced at 10p. This is partly books
that are nearly worn out, but also my low cunning which I hope will make
children look at the books carefully.I should also point out the we offer exchange vouchers for books we want, and either money or more value in book exchange vouchers for books we want a lot. So if you have books you have already read you may not need money at all.
There is always not paying for books at all and we have a library with a children’s book section which all children can join for free. What’s the snag? Library fines. Are you a well organised person? Do you loose things? Do strange marks appear on books when you read them? Do the pages often fall out when you read books? If the answer to any these questions is yes, then either change your ways or pay.
The big question is. Why would you want to read a book at all? If you didn’t ask it even a little bit, somewhere in your head's attic then you can skip the next bit.
Otherwise there are two questions. Do you like money? And do
you like life.
People who read books do better with their
education. People with a better education earn more money. People who earn more
money usually have a greater life expectancy (live longer).
So think of the poor total stranger who is you in a few
years time.
I have started expanding the children’s section, this is a
long job and a bit like a puzzle, for instance I have to move all of
dictionaries in order to make space some books about crime, so I can move the
humour books, so there is more space for children’s books next to the rest of the children's books.On to the don’t swim in the sea business, the council has issued a warning not to swim in the sea on the beaches between Walpole Bay and Dumpton Gap, this includes: Walpole Bay, Palm Bay, Botany Bay, Kingsgate Bay, Joss Bay, Stone Bay, Viking Bay, Louisa Bay and Dumpton Gap.
The Australians often have signs by their swimming pools saying. “Don’t pee in our swimming pool and we won’t swim in your toilet.” What seems to have happened here is we peed in our toilets and it has arrived in our sea.
In some ways this is good news, because up until recently when things went wrong they didn’t tell anyone, now they put up warning signs and I think if something like this happens it is better to tell people.
I will write a bit more about this later, I know you really know this is because I want to see how much it takes to fill the spaces, but I am pretending I have something interesting to say.
Back in 2011 what happened here in Thanet when things went
badly wrong, was the council and the water company let everyone swim in their
toilet. I had a word with the council about this, here it is http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/thanet-blue-flags-some-thoughts-from.html
so you see what reading can do.
It means that if you read a lot you may have some unexpected
information up your sleeve, even the water company's engineer's notes.
Now I am going to be politically incorrect here, in fact I
am going to be sexist, I am going to suggest first that women do most of the
shopping and I am going on to suggest that most women won’t park in the multi
story car park.
However I think I may have the reason why nearly all of the
shops in King Street between mine and the town centre are still trading as
shops and I think this reason is that it is right next the open air car park
which is where most of the women park when they come to Ramsgate.
Now in most of the other towns in this country the councils
are doing everything they can to keep shops open, so it may be purely
coincidental that they are trying very hard to keep this one closed.
Of course it may be that the reason that nearly all of the
shops between mine and the town centre are open is because of the people going
past them on the way to buy their books, ok I concede it may be a bit of each.
Oh no I’ve just realised that I have done something else
that will very probably annoy the council, perhaps they will buy another shop
in the street and make sure that it is never going to be a shop again.
There isn’t much else they can do, we already have had
pretty much every possible on street parking space removed, the wobbly
pavements the blocked drains and have been excluded from the town centre
policing.
The bottom line here is.
We'll let you swim in our toilet if you don't pee on our council.
The bottom line here is.
We'll let you swim in our toilet if you don't pee on our council.
Saturday, 25 January 2014
Saturday ramble mostly about seawater quality
My bookshop today falls into the fairly busy category, that
is not really busy enough to occupy me all the time but busy enough to prevent
me from getting on with anything useful
I am trying to get back into drawing a likeness, not the
easiest thing to do I have just had a go a Nick Clegg with disastrous results
as you see, he is a bit short on features and tends to look fairly different
depending on what expression he is pulling.
The main local matter that seems to be highlighted on the
internet and in the news is the sewage discharge in Thanet, like most of the
civilised world the disposal of sewage here is not without difficulties and
even when everything is working properly Thanet’s main sewage works Wetherlys
doesn’t completely clean the water.
You certainly wouldn’t want to drink the – what’s the word
here – purified, perhaps not, treated water that is discharged into the sea a
few hundred yards from Walpole bay.
Things are a lot better than they were on the sewage front,
before about 1830 we used to let the liquid part of sewage soak into the
ground, the solid part being used for fertiliser. As we dug drinking water
wells near to the soakaways this lead to disease.
Industry particularly tanneries used human and animal
excrement as part of the tanning process and the poor used to sell their urine,
leading to expression, piss poor. The very poor were not able to do this,
leading to the expression, so poor they’ve not got a pot to piss in.
From about 1830 the Thanet towns started to get their first
sewage systems, the sewage was discharged raw into the sea from long outfall
pipes adjacent to the main towns.
Now of course most of our sewage is processed at Wetherlys
and the processed sewage is discharged into the sea via a long outfall pipe.
The Environment Agency licences Southern Water to discharge
some chemicals into the sea there and some of these chemicals are harmful pollutants,
the idea being that the sea dilutes and disperses them.
This is what was discharged into the sea there in 2011, I have
the figures for the previous 10 years, but not those for 2012 yet.
These amounts are within the Environment Agency’s discharge
consent licence and frankly within the current financial and technical
limitations they are necessary discharges to run Thanet’s sewage works.
In simple terms, this goes in the sea or the Thanet towns fill up
with sewage.
Total released
Ammonia 1630kg -
penta-, octa- and deca- BDE <.1kg -
Arsenic 12.3kg -
Cadmium <1kg comment-1kg--="" nbsp="">1kg>
Chloroform (Trichloromethane) <5kg comment-5kg--="" nbsp="">5kg>
Chromium <20kg kg--="" nbsp="">20kg>
Copper 153kg -
Lead <20kg comment-20kg--="" nbsp="">20kg>
Mercury .15kg -
Methylene chloride <10kg comment-10kg--="" nbsp="">10kg>
Nickel <20kg font="" nbsp="">20kg>
Zinc Sea 216kg -
Cyanides - as CN <50kg comment-50kg--="" nbsp="">50kg>
Chlorides - as Cl <2000t comment-2000t--="" nbsp="">2000t>
Fluorides - as F <2000kg comment-2000kg--="" d="">2000kg>
Phenols - total as C
Permethrin 4.96g -
Nonylphenols 1.38kg -
Nonylphenol ethoxylates Sea 29kg -
Octylphenols <1kg comment-1kg--="" nbsp="">1kg>
Tributyltin compounds .02kg -
tert-Butyl methyl ther (MTBE) <1kg comment-1kg--="" nbsp="">1kg>
Propetamphos .02kg -
Benzyl butyl phthalate (BBP) .12kg -
Bisphenol-A .55kg -
DEHP 59kg -
Diuron 1.05kg -
Halogenated organic compounds <1000kg comment-1000kg--="" d="">1000kg>
Nitrogen - as total N 159000kg -
Phosphorus - as total P 25400kg -
Total organic carbon (TOC) <50000kg comment-50000kg--="" nbsp="">50000kg>
Anthracene .12kg -
Clotrimazole .15kg -
Triclosan 1.37kg -
Asbestos .61kg -
Aniline (Benzeneamine) <1kg font="" nbsp=""> 1kg>
Wednesday, 6 June 2012
Thanet Beaches and the sewage leak
Thanet Beaches and the sewage leak
This will be the third year running that I have tried to
sort out something sensible to resolve this issue, and I should make it quite
clear that that problem isn’t so much a pollution issue as a communication
issue.
There is no way that pollution incidences can be avoided, it
just isn’t possible because we have far too many people living in the world
today, there is no way of reverting to a pre industrial society.
In this particular area of pollution i.e. the contamination
of our beaches with sewage, the problem isn’t just a Thanet one, but applies
pretty much everywhere in the world where there is a fairly high population
living close to the sea.
What happens is that the sewage and the rainwater in fact
everything that goes down the drain has to be processed and then discharged
into the sea and periodically something goes wrong.
We now know that the sewage leak started last Wednesday and
indeed last Thursday I took my family to Westbrook beach where my children swam
in the sea. The problem for me is not that the sewage leaked into the sea but
that the council didn’t issue any warning until the following Monday and still
seem to failing to fly red flags put precautionary notices and beach entrances.
My guess is that this behaviour will once again result in
the withdrawal of most of our blue flags and the resultant damage to the local
economy.
I tried to sort this one out last year when Thanet lost most
of its blue flags, this link takes you to my correspondence with the council’s
Commercial Services Manager http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/thanet-blue-flags-some-thoughts-from.html
I also made as much fuss as seemed reasonable during the
2010 pollution incident http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/blue-flags-summer-sewage-sand-and.html
I think the main difficulty here is that the council and
councillors have for years gone down the road of covering pollution issues up
rather than trying to look for solutions, here is an example of what I mean
from Simon Moores on Thanet Life http://birchington.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/interesting-times.html
don’t get me wrong here I am not singling out Simon over this issue, rather the
reverse as at least he publishes his views on the internet where we can all
read them.
But the thread there does I hope illustrate what I am talking
about and were proper measures set up to deal with this problem last year or
the year before, swimming around in sewage would be a thing of the past.
The picture above is a watercolour of Margate Lighthouse
viewed from Westbrook, sorry about the splodgey bits, watercolour painting
while supervising ones children on the beach is not an exact art.
Saturday, 10 September 2011
Thanet bathing water quality
After the loss of several of our blue flags due to pollution incidents I have been keeping an eye on this issue. Late august was not a particularly good time for bathing water quality in Thanet, as you can see from the EA maps.
Playing about with the various interactive maps it looks as though there may have been some sort of sewage discharge in the area at the end of August.
This problem seems to be as much to do with poor communication between the agencies involved than a particularly bad problem with pollution locally.
I will endeavour to add to this one as I get time.
Tuesday, 29 June 2010
Ramsgate Pleasurama sewage and cliff
To enlarge the pictures click on them and then click on them again, perhaps not recommended for the one of the surface of the water.
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