Showing posts with label blue flag. Show all posts
Showing posts with label blue flag. Show all posts

Thursday, 17 May 2018

Ramsgate Margate main sands old photos and the Blue Flags and the bathing water quality testing


Living and trading in Ramsgate I am conscious that there is a disparity between the way the district and county councils treat Ramsgate and Margate and that somehow Ramsgate didn’t get a blue flag this year.

As I have observed before, the councils KCC with Turner and TDC with Dreamland that they really can’t let Margate fail.

You know it’s a funny old thing but I thought that it was the water quality in Margate that had serious problems in 2017, but then if there is a sewage spill and the council report it properly then it doesn’t count against the quality.

Essentially if you take the blue flag down and put the brown on up, well we have been here before, of course I am sure that I must of got this all wrong and someone will put me right



Close up of a bathing machine at Margate

These two pictures of Ramsgate which should expand well if you click on them were both taken before 1860


Ramsgate Main Sands water quality

Margate Main Sands water quality

Margate                                                                                Ramsgate


busy day buying books in Canterbury and Herne Bay today so no that much to say, here is the link to the pictures of the latest arrivals in the bookshop http://michaelsbookshop.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/catch-22-in-bookshop.html

Oh and here is the link to the pictures on my camera card for today New pylons, rats etc


Wednesday, 20 May 2015

Ramsgate Sands Gets a Blue Flag, Manston Mallon some thoughts, a ramble.

Seven of Thanet's beaches get blue flags.

·         Minnis Bay
·         West Bay      
·         St Mildred’s Bay
·         Ramsgate Main Sands
·         Botany Bay
·         Joss Bay
·         Stone Bay

The changes from last year are Westbrook Bay didn’t get one this year and Ramsgate Main Sands did.

I got the press release about this at about 6pm yesterday, strictly embargoed until today, however by about 8pm yesterday the news hade leaked out onto FaceBook, showing that it is pretty much impossible to keep a secret with the internet and giving a pretty good reason why I have given up with the local press release blog.

The picture is an old one dating from three years ago, see http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/tracey-emin-exhibition-at-turner.html old enough I think for me to be realistically critical of it and I still think that it has something that is unique because of having been drawn and painted on the beach and not in a studio from a photo.

On to Manston and the airport site.

Public opinion on this one seems to have been roughly steady on this one since the airport closed about a year ago roughly in order with the most popular at the top.

Reopen as a regional passenger airport, with equine facility and a small amount of freight. Essentially what we had before.

Anything that employs a lot of people.

Farmland. 

I think around here you get into the area of what the majority of people seem to be saying they don’t want.

The Discovery Park proposals.

Airfreight hub and aircraft dismantling facility without passenger flights.

Housing.

Sink estate.

So we now have Ray Mallon appointed as spokesperson for the Discovery Parks scheme.

Gazette article



Old BBC coverage about Ray Mallon http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Ray%20Mallon

On the local government front we have tomorrows TDC meeting which I guess counts as the first stages of restarting the cpo process and on the same day UKIP KCC councillor Roger Latchford trying to get KCC to support the cpo.


I guess a problem with the cpo is mandate and this is mainly down to TDC failing to respond reasonably to the various Save Manston airport petitions. Apart from the problems with the petitions which meant that none of them seemed to be properly verified, so they could have been signed several times by the same person, a petition doesn’t give any sort of mandate unless it is signed by a large proportion of the community. The population of Thanet being in the 140,000 ball park with I guess around 100,000 voters, then a petition doesn’t really cut the mustard unless it's getting to around the half the voters and this is never going to happen. What the council should have done is hold a public consultation.

I think the cpo situation at the moment is something like this.

Election wise I think quite a few of the sma group stood as UKIP councillors, whether this was because they supported UKIP, thought UKIP would win and they could get the cpo through or they just wanted political change I don’t know. I guess when trying to gauge the group as a whole a bit of everything may be the answer.

Part of the UKIP election campaign was to save the airport but as I didn’t see any political bumph saying vote UKIP for an airfreight hub and aircraft scrap yard and I don’t think they have a strong mandate for a cpo with that purpose.

I think there may be a sense in which they are calling RiverOak's bluff, put X million pounds into a UK bank account, to finance starting the cpo. I guess the snag here would be what the council's liability would be to RiverOak if the council decided to pull out of the cpo process after they had spent X million pounds on getting the process started.

That said UKIP obviously have to be seen to be doing something and I guess they will. I have great reservations about the council making large financial commitments while the new councillors lack experience, I am particularly minded that the Pleasurama planning consent went through during the change of administration and that experienced councillors would probably have turned it down and told the developer to produce new plans that fitted in the space height wise.   


I will ramble on about this today as and when I get the time.     

Tuesday, 29 July 2014

School holidays start with don’t swim in the sea and children’s books in the bookshop

 I will start with the children’s books, it is a very good idea if children have a books to read during the school holidays. The pictures are of the books in the children’s section of my bookshop, if you click on the photos so they get bigger and click on them again, once they have got bigger, they should get big enough to let you read most of the titles. If they don’t I will try to take some better photos and replace them.

I am having a jinxed day, I could say my decent camera has gone wrong, the truth is that I have lost the charger, so I took the pictures with my mobile phone which isn’t so good indoors.
 There are several reasons why it is best for children to have a real book to read, rather than a kindle, or some other device, the main one being that technology has just too many distractions.

Another one is to do with what some people call “lose toys in the attic” which is a euphemism (another way of saying) “mental” “mad” and so on, which can be hurtful if the person you’re talking about has really got a mental illness.  
 However people who are reasonably sane, in fact everyone, has stuff in their minds that works strangely for one reason or another. I think that if someone uses a screen a lot to read things that hardly go in to their memory and they will never need a few seconds after reading them, then their minds get used to junking stuff they read on screens.

A very good example on this blog is when the adults start to insult each other, they skim up and down the comments looking only for. What? Someone they don’t like so they can be rude to them. Someone who has been rude to them. can you think of any more? But the point here is it soon becomes obvious that they are not interested in the topic of the post, so their mind is junking that information.
 If you read a book on a screen and your mind has gone even a little bit like that when you read from screens, you may find you’ve “lost the plot” sorry couldn’t resist that one, wait until I get to the sea, it will get worse.

This can be a problem with serious study, my children have been saying, “print it out dad” for years.
 This part of my bookshop has children’s books for children, the books are priced accordingly, there are lots of books priced under £1 and if you look carefully some are priced at 10p. This is partly books that are nearly worn out, but also my low cunning which I hope will make children look at the books carefully.

 I should also point out the we offer exchange vouchers for books we want, and either money or more value in book exchange vouchers for books we want a lot. So if you have books you have already read you may not need money at all.
 There is always not paying for books at all and we have a library with a children’s book section which all children can join for free. What’s the snag? Library fines. Are you a well organised person? Do you loose things? Do strange marks appear on books when you read them? Do the pages often fall out when you read books? If the answer to any these questions is yes, then either change your ways or pay.
 Of course if you have bought a book and the book has some sort of accident, then this can be less of a problem and it can make for more relaxed reading.
 The big question is. Why would you want to read a book at all? If you didn’t ask it even a little bit, somewhere in your head's attic then you can skip the next bit.

Otherwise there are two questions. Do you like money? And do you like life.

People who read books do better with their education. People with a better education earn more money. People who earn more money usually have a greater life expectancy (live longer).

So think of the poor total stranger who is you in a few years time. 
 I have started expanding the children’s section, this is a long job and a bit like a puzzle, for instance I have to move all of dictionaries in order to make space some books about crime, so I can move the humour books, so there is more space for children’s books next to the rest of the children's books.
 On to the don’t swim in the sea business, the council has issued a warning not to swim in the sea on the beaches between Walpole Bay and Dumpton Gap, this includes: Walpole Bay, Palm Bay, Botany Bay, Kingsgate Bay, Joss Bay, Stone Bay, Viking Bay, Louisa Bay and Dumpton Gap.
 The Australians often have signs by their swimming pools saying. “Don’t pee in our swimming pool and we won’t swim in your toilet.” What seems to have happened here is we peed in our toilets and it has arrived in our sea.
 In some ways this is good news, because up until recently when things went wrong they didn’t tell anyone, now they put up warning signs and I think if something like this happens it is better to tell people.
 I will write a bit more about this later, I know you really know this is because I want to see how much it takes to fill the spaces, but I am pretending I have something interesting to say. 

Back in 2011 what happened here in Thanet when things went badly wrong, was the council and the water company let everyone swim in their toilet. I had a word with the council about this, here it is http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/thanet-blue-flags-some-thoughts-from.html so you see what reading can do.

It means that if you read a lot you may have some unexpected information up your sleeve, even the water company's engineer's notes.  

The downside here is that the council may not like you very much, so you may wind up trying to run a business opposite the biggest shop in the street and find that on the one hand it belongs to the council. While on the other hand it’s empty and they never ever intend to let it as a shop again.
Now I am going to be politically incorrect here, in fact I am going to be sexist, I am going to suggest first that women do most of the shopping and I am going on to suggest that most women won’t park in the multi story car park.  

Now three of my children and my wife are of the female persuasion and most of the blog readers will be familiar with the pictures that I paint, and put on this blog, while waiting for shopping to occur. I know this sexism may lead to adverse comment so I am covering my back here the best I can.   
However I think I may have the reason why nearly all of the shops in King Street between mine and the town centre are still trading as shops and I think this reason is that it is right next the open air car park which is where most of the women park when they come to Ramsgate.

Now in most of the other towns in this country the councils are doing everything they can to keep shops open, so it may be purely coincidental that they are trying very hard to keep this one closed.


Of course it may be that the reason that nearly all of the shops between mine and the town centre are open is because of the people going past them on the way to buy their books, ok I concede it may be a bit of each.   
Oh no I’ve just realised that I have done something else that will very probably annoy the council, perhaps they will buy another shop in the street and make sure that it is never going to be a shop again.


There isn’t much else they can do, we already have had pretty much every possible on street parking space removed, the wobbly pavements the blocked drains and have been excluded from the town centre policing.

The bottom line here is.

We'll let you swim in our toilet if you don't pee on our council. 

Tuesday, 20 May 2014

Thanet gets the most blue flags with eight, but Ramsgate Main Sands misses out.

Here is what they have to say:

Once again this year Thanet in Kent has claimed the title for the most Blue Flag beaches with seven, closely followed by Poole, Torbay, Bournemouth and Isle of Wight which have four each. Joining them on four this year, from three in 2013, are North Norfolk and Tendring.

And here is the link to the rest of it http://www.keepbritaintidy.org/blue-flag-and-seaside-award-2014-winners-announced/2303/2/1/999

The Thanet beaches to get the Blue Flag Award for 2014 are
Minnis Bay
Thanet District Council
West Bay
Thanet District Council
St Mildreds
Thanet District Council
Westbrook Bay
Thanet District Council
Botany Bay
Thanet District Council
Joss Bay
Thanet District Council
Stone Bay
Thanet District Council


I will do more on this later if I get time 

Wednesday, 22 May 2013

Thanet’s Blue Flag Beaches Announced

Here is the list copied from the blue flag website http://www.blueflag.org/Menu/Awarded+sites/2012/Northern+Hemisphere/England/SouthEast  


Access for people with disabilities
Access for people with disabilities
Access for people with disabilities
Access for people with disabilities
Access for people with disabilities
Access for people with disabilities
Access for people with disabilities
Access for people with disabilities
Access for people with disabilities

My excuse with the sketch is it was executed on Ramsgate Main Sands

I wonder what the council's excuse is for missing out Ramsgate Main Sands in their press release about the blue flag awards?

whoops my mistake it seems the blue flag website hasn't been updated and here is the actual list


Minnis Bay ThanetDistrict Council
West Bay ThanetDistrict Council
St Mildreds ThanetDistrict Council
Westbrook Bay ThanetDistrict Council
Margate ThanetDistrict Council
Botany Bay ThanetDistrict Council
Joss Bay ThanetDistrict Council
Stone Bay ThanetDistrict Council

Wednesday, 6 June 2012

Thanet Beaches and the sewage leak


Thanet Beaches and the sewage leak

This will be the third year running that I have tried to sort out something sensible to resolve this issue, and I should make it quite clear that that problem isn’t so much a pollution issue as a communication issue.

There is no way that pollution incidences can be avoided, it just isn’t possible because we have far too many people living in the world today, there is no way of reverting to a pre industrial society.

In this particular area of pollution i.e. the contamination of our beaches with sewage, the problem isn’t just a Thanet one, but applies pretty much everywhere in the world where there is a fairly high population living close to the sea.

What happens is that the sewage and the rainwater in fact everything that goes down the drain has to be processed and then discharged into the sea and periodically something goes wrong. 

We now know that the sewage leak started last Wednesday and indeed last Thursday I took my family to Westbrook beach where my children swam in the sea. The problem for me is not that the sewage leaked into the sea but that the council didn’t issue any warning until the following Monday and still seem to failing to fly red flags put precautionary notices and beach entrances.

My guess is that this behaviour will once again result in the withdrawal of most of our blue flags and the resultant damage to the local economy.

I tried to sort this one out last year when Thanet lost most of its blue flags, this link takes you to my correspondence with the council’s Commercial Services Manager http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/thanet-blue-flags-some-thoughts-from.html

I also made as much fuss as seemed reasonable during the 2010 pollution incident http://thanetonline.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/blue-flags-summer-sewage-sand-and.html


I think the main difficulty here is that the council and councillors have for years gone down the road of covering pollution issues up rather than trying to look for solutions, here is an example of what I mean from Simon Moores on Thanet Life http://birchington.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/interesting-times.html don’t get me wrong here I am not singling out Simon over this issue, rather the reverse as at least he publishes his views on the internet where we can all read them.

But the thread there does I hope illustrate what I am talking about and were proper measures set up to deal with this problem last year or the year before, swimming around in sewage would be a thing of the past.

Simon has obviously revised his position on this issue as he has posted about the information and communication problems today see http://birchington.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/closed.html   

The picture above is a watercolour of Margate Lighthouse viewed from Westbrook, sorry about the splodgey bits, watercolour painting while supervising ones children on the beach is not an exact art.   

I will ramble on if I get time.  

Saturday, 10 September 2011

Thanet bathing water quality

After the loss of several of our blue flags due to pollution incidents I have been keeping an eye on this issue. Late august was not a particularly good time for bathing water quality in Thanet, as you can see from the EA maps.

The Environment Agency interactive maps are available at http://maps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/wiybyController?ep=maptopics&lang=_e and let you know about local bathing water quality pollution incidents and so on.

Playing about with the various interactive maps it looks as though there may have been some sort of sewage discharge in the area at the end of August.

This problem seems to be as much to do with poor communication between the agencies involved than a particularly bad problem with pollution locally.

I will endeavour to add to this one as I get time.  

Wednesday, 11 May 2011

Thanet Blue Flags, some thoughts from Thanet District Council


To the council's Press and Media Manager in response to the press release 


Hi ****

I did try to stop this happening last year, posted about it wrote to officers and so on, no recriminations and I am prepared to have another go.

This situation wasn’t caused by pollution incidents but by the failure to have a pollution warning set-up in place.

This is about not understanding the blue flag criteria, most especially criterion 28, anyway if the council wants its blue flag beaches back please put me in touch with the right officer and I will help get the situation resolved.   

Best regards Michael

Their Reply


Hi Michael
I've passed your e-mail on and someone will be coming back to you about it.


Regards,
**** 

From their Commercial Services Manager

Michael
As **** indicated she asked me to respond to you on this issue.

You have made a series of statements on your Blog that are just not
correct and in no way reflect the reason why the area has had a number
of its Blue Flag beaches reduced to Quality Coast awards.

The reduction is entirely based on a very limited number of lower than
excellent results we got last year, which almost all occurred during the
almost continuous north easterly in August last year. None of these
results appear to be associated with situations where discharges may
have occurred based on information our Environmental Health section
receive from Southern Water and the Environment Agency. This factor was
not a consideration that formed any part of the decisions by the Keep
Britain Tidy group in making Blue Flag award decisions for us.

In fact, because of the sheer number of awards we have got in the past
and still have we have regular contact both with the KBT group and the
EA and we are often used as a test ground for the work they do. This
includes working as a partner with the EA in planning for the
introduction of the new water standards. The current signs going up for
this year have been adapted to reflect this partnership work in advance
of the statutory requirement to display more information, and include
the position of sewage outfalls around the coast.

Your Blog indicates that the reduction in Blue Flag numbers is based on
a failure to act by the council which is entirely incorrect and the
council looks forward these incorrect statements being removed from your
Blog, as obviously they are untrue and damaging to the council's
reputation. This includes the statements copied below:

"My understanding is that if on these occasions the council put up
signs notifying the public that the sea was contaminated then we would
be able to retain our blue flag status on the effected beaches. 

What happens instead is that nothing happens, by this I mean that after
Southern Water make an emergency discharge of sewage near to one of our
bathing beaches, this doesn't result in the council taking down the blue
flag and putting up warning signs telling people the sea is
contaminated.

I tried last year to get the council to set up a system to overcome
this problem, the result appears to have been inaction causing most of
our beaches to be stripped of their blue flag status."

It would perhaps be helpful for completion's sake to mention the 7 bays
for which we have achieved Quality Coast awards from KBT that measure
very much the same things, and give a clear indication that our water is
safe to swim in.

Your Blog also seems to give the view that in swimming around our coast
would involve encounters with sewage. This is just not the case and
gives entirely the wrong impression as the chances of this happening are
vanishingly small.

***


My reply


*****. I think it easiest to illustrate what I mean with one example.

This was the pollution on 12th July 2010, this is what Southern Water’s senior engineer had to say about it.

“Pump failure 10 July Military Road pump station, engineer sent; wet well went to high level, 120 to 150 Litres per sec sent to Wetherlees.

Wet weather between 02.00 and 04.30 12th July 7.6mm rainfall. Pump No. 2 failed 02.00 resulting in emergency discharge early am.”

So on the morning of Monday 12th July Southern Water made a considerable discharge which they recorded, I don’t think this information was passed on to the council, if it was no action was taken.

No warning notices appeared at entrances to both beaches and tourist information offices, as would be required by blue flag criterion 28.

Even more ludicrously on the same day the EA made their weekly test, as though nothing had happened, I would assume that the results of this test would have been completed by the Friday 16th July 2010, so if the council were using these results to decide when to place warning notices, then I assume the unusually high levels of faecal coliforms 3,000 colonies per 100 ml, (this really is swimming in sewage) the council would have acted on this.

Once again no signs and during the weekend 17th 18th July the South East Region Beach Lifeguard Championships were held at Ramsgate main Sands.

This is a situation that suggests no system at all and my understanding is that it was the lack of any system that lead to Surfers Against Sewage putting pressure on the blue flag program to remove most of the Thanet beaches.

The solution to this problem is:

1 To have a proper system of communication with Southern Water that results in action being taken in the event of an emergency discharge. 

2 To engage in a serried of post discharge tests to ascertain how long after a discharge the signage needs to be in place.

3 To contact Surfers against sewage explaining that a proper system has been put in place.

4 To contact the EA and assure that their testing takes into account emergency discharges.

5 To explain the improves system to the people running the blue flag scheme.
Best regards Michael
His Reply to me.


Michael
Thanks for the email. No argument that the Council needs to get as
timely information as possible from Southern Water to allow it to make
decisions about signage and the flying of Blue Flags. However, I must
stress that this was not a factor in KBT's decision as this was
straightforwardly based on the results collected by the EA and run
through their normal criteria.

You seem to be reiterating your contention about this issue leading to
the loss of the Blue Flags to others but as indicated above this is just
not correct.

***

My reply to him


*** I think one major factor here is the SOS campaign and the marked similarity between the beaches dropped this year and the beaches they asked to be dropped during their campaign last year.

See http://www.sas.org.uk/news/2010/08/06/sas-call-for-35-blue-flags-to-be-withdrawn-from-beaches-around-the-uk/ I think there is a sense that the blue flag organisers look to be preparing to drop Thanet, which could be a bit of a nuisance factor in their three and half thousand beaches awarded world wide.

Underlying all of this is that the main issue for most people is being assured that the water they are swimming in is actually clean.

Very important here is that action needs to be taken now, at the beginning of the testing season, the most important of action being good clear public information following an emergency discharge.

Added to this I would think some clear information about the way recent periods of heavy rainfall can effect bathing water quality in areas with mixed drainage systems and emergency outfall pipes. Since this means most of Europe and all of the UK it shouldn’t be difficult to phrase that in a way that shows TDC is taking more care of bathers than most other places.

There have also been some recent changes to the EU bathing water directive that I think may be pertinent.

Yes I am saying that we lost at least one of our blue flags because of a poor system, mostly weak communication, in the instance I have mentioned, what actually happened was an emergency discharge caused by plant failure, followed by a test being made on the same day and adjacent to the emergency discharge that was then submitted as being representative of the bathing water quality. Adding up the rest of the results it would seem that this one error caused Ramsgate to lose its blue flag status.

Alternatively you are saying that we have an emergency spillage of some sort, something periodically happens on every beach in the world, then test in the middle of the spillage on the day of the spillage and submit that result.

I will publish this correspondence, with your name omitted, on the blog, which will hopefully clarify the situation; I understand that the whole blogging situation isn’t an easy one for the council. I do endeavour to obtain accurate information and present a clear picture and wish to thank you for replying promptly and constructively.   

Best regards Michael



There is also some comment about this on Thanet Life, see http://birchington.blogspot.com/2011/05/interesting-times.html