3 Mystery Thanet Photos, My attempt at dating yesterday's map

 q1 where in Thanet

  q2 where in Thanet

  q3 where in Thanet

Link to the bigger pictures

link to the photos of the books we put out today

Click here to enlarge the map

The most recent date first, at a glance, no Royal Victoria Pavilion built in 1903 – so it has to be before that , no trams which were there in in 1901 – so it has to be before that. Refining this even more  In 1898 the London Chatham and Dover Railway (LCDR) agreed with the South Eastern Railway (SER).  to share the operation of the two railways, work them as a single system (as the South Eastern and Chatham Railway). So 1898 or before.

In the end I resorted to the books here at Michael's Bookshop where I work, online research gets progressively more difficult and less accurate.  

The main source is the 1895 Ramsgate Guide Book, “Ramsgate Illustrated” Especially the part on Municipal Government 

Here is the link to that part of the guide 

And of course the pictures of the new roads, waterfall etc. so I think it has to be around 1895. bt not far from.

This picture is a page from 1995 Ramsgate Guide Book, “Ramsgate Illustrated”

the new road wasn't built in 1890 but illustrated as a proposal in, 1890 the next bit from the 1890 guide

you will need to click on both the picture and the picture of the text of the proposed new road to expand them 

This photo was taken in 1890 

At the moment I have it has to be before 1899 and after 1890 with my best guess being 1895

Can you date an old street map of Ramsgate? Sorry, Computer glitch and other stuff, behold the answers.

Click here to enlarge map

When you go about dating a map of Ramsgate, the more you know in terms of what was built when the more accurately you can date it. Maps like this one , aimed at tourists, are seldom dated because if you date a map 1065 along comes William the Conqueror in 1066 and makes a load of changes so no one will buy the maps with 1065 on them.

Blogger has started reducing the size of enlarged pictures, not as badly as Facebook does, but I don't know that it would be possible to read the street names even having clicked on it impulsively 

  

Here are Friday's answers and a link to the images I have published on the Michael's Bookshop Website 

School holidays at the moment so a very busy bookshop today, we did price and put out some books

link to photos of the books

I think the main reason is the lack of alternatives for families to go anywhere in winter where they can all do some shopping pretty much regardless of their budget.

We always have a reasonable range of books that are price between 5p and £5. Of course we do have some of the more expensive and collectable books priced between £20 and £500 

 pointing the phone's camera behind me bring up this at the moment

 1 A major fear during both world wars was coastal invasion meaning that after WW2 Ramsgate had significant concrete defences.

 2 Harbour Parade Ramsgate Temperance and government funding, the government passed the Defence of the Realm Act in 1914 at the beginning of the First World War. According to the provisions of this act pub hours were licensed, beer was watered down and was subject to a penny a pint extra tax. So there they are literally “on the bandwaggon”

The law was help prevent invasion and to keep morale at home high. It also imposed censorship of journalism and of letters coming home from the front line. 10 people were executed under the regulations.

 3 an extra picture or two should do more to explain this one

 The dome on the left

is Sanger's now Argos, such is the nature of town centre improvement.

4 update Kevin Mortimer Steve Villette Newgate pumped seawater to a storage tank in Zion Place, and it was distributed from there for street cleaning

 Pumping Station c1912 Newgate Gap, seawater on the sign is an euphemism for sewage

The idea being to pump Margate's sewage away from Margate Main Sands, unless there was heavy rain or the gas engine in the photo failed in which case they opened the sluices .

Sorry about the lack of responses to comments on Facebook over the weekend, I had a bit of a computer glitch combined with a lot of stuff going on in the real world and I have only just had time to sort the technology out and start replying to people.

I spent the weekend moving my children into the two bedrooms I have just redecorated and this proved to be more time consuming than I expected.

I wasn't at work at Michaels Bookshop on Saturday but the work went on without me

here is the link to the books that got priced and put out on the shelves  

five mystery Thanet photos to get clicking on and a happy Valentine's Day

 1 Do you know what's going on in this picture and where in Thanet? If you do you will know when.

 2 Where in Thanet? If you know what's going on and when I would be surprised
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 3 Do you know what this Thanet building was and where it was?

 4 these to pictures show the inside and outside of the same Thanet facility, where was it and what was it?

Sorry about there being no post yesterday I have been busy decorating bedrooms, should have finished 3 out of 4 on Sunday.

Here at Michael's Bookshop where I pretend to work in Ramsgate, a fairly busy day and a lot of books priced and put out

link to the photos of the books

A bit more sketching in Wetherspoons aka Royal Victoria Pavilion ramsgate. Spot the differences?

 If you have people in tow with dietary restrictions

 Wetherspoons is becoming one of the most viable options

 With a great many places you just can't tell who can eat what, strange really.

Chances are if you go out with a group of people you will have some vegetarians, vegans, food allergies, diabetics and so on. Apart from meat, a lot of people need to know what's in their food, and if the can't tell they can't eat it. Then of course there are those of us who just want to know how much saturated fat and sugar

The answers to Wednesday's questions

 Combined Electricity / dust destructor station Princes Road Ramsgate, near the viaduct

Dog & Duck. Westbrook

Electifying question, pub quiz answers

You can see what it is/was, but do you know where it was?

OK one more Thanet pub as well.


Steady day here at work in Michael's Bookshop Ramsgate

pictures of the books we put out

Thursday tomorrow so the bookshop is closed, the weather however looks not so good so I will probably do a few indoor jobs.

Yesterday's answers

Admiral Fox

 The Admiral Harvey at the bottom of York Street, although I think different building there then

This is from the 1849 map

and the same bit from Google maps
 link to all of the 1849 Ramsgate map if you want to buy a paper copy of this you would need to come to Michael's Bookshop in Ramsgate, it's in a tube and too difficult and expensive to post

 here is my mistake again, don't know what happened

  Druids Arms 1965 14 St. John's Road Margate

 Kings Arms Hotel Margate 1908  renamed Doggett Coat and Badge from the mid 1970s

Do you know the names of any of there five Thanet pubs

 Thanet mystery pub 1

 Thanet mystery pub 2

 Thanet mystery pub 3 whoops not a pub, wrong photo view from St George's Church towards Waitrose I think

 Thanet mystery pub 4

Thanet mystery pub 5

A quiet day at work on the bookselling front, but a very busy day on the bookbuying front here at Michael's Bookshop in Ramsgate.

link to the books we put out today

In every sense a day where we spend a lot more money on books than we take selling books is a good day for us. Provided the pricing is right (cheaper than our customers can buy the books on the internet) and the quality is right (books there is a reasonable demand for) a very good day.

The earliest bookseling story I know of is about a Venetian bookseller in the mid 1500s who sold an incunable, (book published before 1501), changed his mind, rushed out of his bookshop, stabbed the customer and took the book back. BTW antiquarian books are books published between 1502 and 1810, books published after 1810 are modern books.


yesterday's answer

Location wise this is where Lloyds bank in Ramsgate is now, Queen Street to the left of the picture, High Street to the right.

I would guess the photo was taken around 1860, the building being a library and a bank.

This building was demolished in 1866, Burgesses Bank in 1849, same building, see map below.

The Lloyds bank we have now

The bit with the Projecting centrepiece with Corinthian half-columns supporting pediment was built 1896.

This bit was built in 1929  the whole by T.N. Wilson. Built for the Canterbury Bank Arms of Canterbury and Ramsgate in centrepiece.

Link to the whole 1849 map of Ramsgate

Focus on Ramsgate High Street. A small world in the bookshop

Do you know whereabouts on Ramsgate High Street this long gone subscription library was?

These circulating libraries relate to the cost and production methods of Georgian and later Victorian books. From when printing started in about 1440 until well into Victorian times printing with a very labour intensive business and therefore expensive.

So they were a bit like a cross between vidio libraries and a cafe.

Now I suppose the scondhand bookshop is the cheapest option, we try to make it so.

I finished off a small bookcase at work

bought a ready made small bookcase. It must be a small day.

link to the photos of the books we put out today

yesterday post about the wosisname on Santander at 40 High St, Ramsgate provoked a lot of comment on Facebook

I mistakenly thought 40 High Street used to be the Gas Board, so here are the High Street pages from the 1971 directory which we do a cheap reprint of courtesy Kelly's Directories. Link to the book's buy it now although I would strongly recommend coming into Michael's Bookshop in Ramsgate and giving it a thorough browse

 Some old High St stuff next